Weak Position with a Strong Move for Checkers

[ae_ted]

Alan...not only did you not respond to the young player's direct question to you, you chose not to respond to me. Yet you respond to Bernard Coll who i considered in this thread to be most provoking. Well this is not what I want to see from the ACF officials and is why I no longer financially support the ACF. I have attended many tourns over the years but will no longer because of the way ACF treats youth and women. Your position of not responding is working for you personally but as everyone can see....ACF is dwindling so maby a change of position might be worth a perhaps small bit of consideration. Please do not respond to me on this as your actions have already been quite effective. I can only hope more people like Gene Ellision and John Acker and the few other young people endure and emerge, a new and better ACF.

[BillyBoy]

Hi Ted, Well the best way to look at it is like this. You cant make everyone happy its imposible one way you side is going to anger the other side. Same as past presidents any kind of official or person's in charge. As far as not answering perhaps the members should of tried a personal letter which Alan always answers. But to say ACF does not support women or youth enough is false. ACF made bad decisions that angered alot of people some including me. But its life nothing personal so relax suck it up a bit. Billy

[Jay Bailey]

Billy, I thoroughly enjoy your “suck it up” solution! Most people just whine about a problem and do not realize how much joy you can get from this so called problem. For instance, if your roof is leaking, most will try to fix it. I say “suck it up!” That leak can just become a free shower, or fun entertainment for the kids. Fixing problems is ridiculous when you can just suck it up.

[tommyc]

I can only hope more people like Gene Ellision and John Acker and the few other young people endure and emerge, a new and better ACF..........Ted

................I hope John Acker is allowed nowhere near the ACF hierarchy,or the holyier-than thou Bob Newell either after the double cross they both played on me, pretending it was for the good of Youth Checkers.As far as i can see they are only interested in lining their own nest...................and are both dishonourable men.I wouldnt trust them as far as i could throw them....................dont take my word on this.............judge for yourselves how trustworthy there two men are!!............you may recall the posting below on the Forum................read on.













Help Needed with Basic Checkers reprint
by chipschap on Wed May 05, 2010 8:14 pm
I am working on a newly typeset edition of all seven parts of Basic Checkers which we (John Acker and I) wish to have available in book form (paper, not ebook) in time for the memorial tournament. I am quite far behind but now working several hours a day on this, bugging my poor old eyes out staring at the screen and keyboard.

The intent is to sell the book at a price which recovers cost and donate anything more to youth checkers; this is a non-profit exercise.

I do need some limited help with checking some questionable passages. If you own a printed copy of Basic Checkers and able to work with word processing software, and are willing to donate perhaps 10 hours of your time between mid-May and mid-June checking some pages of copy, all in return for just an acknowledgement(!), please let me know as soon as you can: bobnewell@bobnewell.net.

You would be helping with an effort that will hopefully honor RLF's memory by putting a classic back into circulation, and perhaps put a few dollars into the youth fund.

Thanks!
Bob Newell
bobnewell@bobnewell.net
http://www.checkermaven.com
chipschap

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by tommyc on Thu May 06, 2010 8:29 am

Hi Bob..........I have some reprints of Basic Checkers available (230 pages in total spiral)but i can send you the "ready to print" version if its any help to you and you can print you own copys.This in conjunction with Jim Loys Basic Checker corrections "book" may be another option.
Let me know if this is suitable or helpful.
Always read "Cannings Compilation 2nd Edition" every day.
tommyc

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Re: Help Needed with Basic Checkers reprint
by chipschap on Thu May 06, 2010 6:57 pm
Tommy, a single reprint copy (hopefully all 7 parts?) would be what I need the most. I am working on a newly typeset version. Could you please email me at bobnewell@bobnewell.net so I can arrange to get a copy from you as soon as possible? I will reimburse your costs. Thanks!
Bob Newell
bobnewell@bobnewell.net
http://www.checkermaven.com
chipschap

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Location: Honolulu, Hawai'iHi Tommy,

Is this from the same source as the on-line version at
clara.davey.net? I made some use of that but there are many scanning
errors, which is the same problem I have here. And in the move to
Honolulu many books were misplaced. So I don't have a printed copy of
the original to compare with.

What I'm looking for is a print or scan of the original book(s).

However your electronic copy might be cleaner than mine. Under what
terms would you be willing to let me use all of it?

Many thanks,

Bob……………..


On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:33 AM, TOM CANNING <cancar25@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Bob.........Im not sure of the source but is error free as far as im
> aware,i have made a quick comparison to BC originals and thats ok.
> Im not putting any terms on the use of it other than expect you wont be
> passing it on to everyone.One thing you might do for me would be if and when
> you do a "corrected version" you might give me a copy "ready for print".
> My copy is ready for print as ive spent quite afew hours of time "re
> setting the print" into a more readable order etc!.........Tommy


Hi Tommy,

Well, I would not give it to anyone and I will surely send you back
the final electronic version. Thanks!

Bob(Cutdown)...doc
Download(1612.5 KB)
Hi Bob...................Here you go Bob best of luck ,i know its for a good cause and im into helping young player get an interest so i hope it goes well for you.............alll the best Tommy.



Thanks Tommy ... I'll be sure to acknowledge your help ... hopefully
we can make a little money for youth checkers.

Bob








On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 4:28 AM, TOM CANNING <cancar25@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Bob...................Here you go Bob best of luck ,i know its for a good
> cause and im into helping young player get an interest so i hope it goes
> well for you.............alll the best Tommy.


On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 8:24 AM, TOM CANNING <cancar25@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Good luck with the project Bob.
> You mentionded yur living in Honolulu whats that like?.

Thanks for the good wishes, Tommy. I'm working several hours a day on
this as I let myself get too far behind. My last year at work, prior
to retirement in February, was very hard indeed with a total of 20
weeks away.

We moved to Honolulu immediately after retiring. Now that we are here full-time we are very happy with it. The
weather is beautiful; it's always summer. We are only a block away
from the beach (about a five minute walk),
and the relatively slow pace of life that you find in the tropics. there
are many nice coffee shops where I can spend a few hours with my
laptop and drink the excellent Hawaiian coffee.

Thanks again for your help and support,

Bob Newell

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:25 AM, TOM CANNING <cancar25@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Hi Bob..............Glad to hear you have got the new BC up and going in pretty fast time wow...................you were looking for Fortman quotes:well keep me a spot i have a goodun for you ............it happened at the International Match GB/IRE V USA,but 1st i have to check out the fine detail and the circumstances .....but since i heard it a few yrs ago i been quoting it, often poking fun at the guy it was sais to.........Tommy





Hi Tommy, that's great, if you can get me the quote by the weekend
that would be terrific as I really need to wrap up and order a galley
print next week ... thanks!

Working 5 to 6 hours a day, 6 days a week on this project ... lots of
work, there are fifty-one thousand checker moves in BC!

Bob









On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:23 PM, TOM CANNING <cancar25@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Bob,...................how did it come out after all the
> corrections........Tommy.

I like to think, pretty well, it is a nice looking book, of course
errors always remain but I think it is very usable and nice and priced
about right.

You got a credit in the book's introduction for lending me your electronic copy.

Bob



Aye sure it was for a good cause,dont forget to send me a electronic copy of the new product..............Tommy.







Hi Bob.............Havent just now discovered during proof reading the omission of these two sets of opening moves perhaps you have already noticed them missing ,if not have a look see if they are in your version..............Tommy OPENING NO 35. 9-14, 23-19, 5-9
9-14, 23-19(A), 5-9(B), 27-23(C), 11-15(D), 22-18E) 15-22, 25-18, 7-11(F), 19-15(G), 10-19, 23-7(H), 14-23, 26-19, 3-10, 29-25(I), 8-11, 25-22(J), 11-15, 31-26(K), 4-8(L)

Opening no 63 10-15, 21-17, 7-10.
10-15, 21-17, 7-10(A),17-14(B), 10-17 (C), 22-13, 11-16 (D), 23-19 (E VAR1), 16-23, 26-10, 6-15, 13-6, 1-10, 25-22(F) ,12-16 (G), 29-25 (H), 16-19 (I), 25-21 (J), 10-14 (K), 24-20 (L)……………


Ive spent an hour checking the rest of the trunk lines and they are fine all there...................sorry abt that .....Tommy

OPENING NO 35. 9-14, 23-19,
> 5-9
>
> 9-14, 23-19(A), 5-9(B), 27-23(C), 11-15(D), 22-18E) 15-22, 25-18, 7-11(F), 19-15(G), 10-19, 23-7
> (H), 14-23, 26-19, 3-10, 29-25(I), 8-11, 25-22(J), 11-15, 31-26(K), 4-8(L)
>
> Opening no 63 10-15, 21-17, 7-10.
>
> 10-15, 21-17, 7-10(A),17-14(B), 10-17 (C), 22-13, 11-16 (D), 23-19 (E VAR1), 16-23, 26-10, 6-15,
> 13-6, 1-10, 25-22(F) ,12-16 (G), 29-25 (H), 16-19 (I), 25-21 (J), 10-14 (K), 24-20 (L)……………
>



Not sure, will take a peek....



TOM CANNING writes:
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> Hi Bob.............Havent just now discovered during proof reading the omission of these two sets
> of opening moves perhaps you have already noticed them missing ,if not have a look see if they
> are in your version..............Tommy



Bob………..We're OK on these ... of course there are always other errors



TOM CANNING writes:

> Hi Bob,./...........Im ready for the final electronic version of Basic Checkers agreed...................Tommy.

Hi Tommy,

I have to check with John Acker first. I don't at all mind if you have the
electronic edition but I really, really don't want it to get into circulation.

Bob







Hi Bob,........I wont be circulating it to anyone .Im sure your a man of your word :this is what we agreed................below

Hi Tommy,
Well, I would not give it to anyone and I will surely send you back
the final electronic version. Thanks!
Bob>


Tommy, I will definitely keep my part of the deal. But the one thing
that has changed is that John Acker "owns" the product. We decided to
have him own it so that books for sale at tournaments would be shipped
to him, in Ohio, rather than to me at extra cost both for
shipping here and then shipping back. So I have to ask John because
he has the rights to the product at this time. That wasn't the
original idea but it worked out that way.

Bob

Hi Bob................

1/Bob we had an agreement ,just you and me,and that was that you would have the use of my good file copy of Basic Checkers to reprint and correct,for the good of young checker players and return.

2/That you would not pass or give it to anyone else.

3/That you would return to me "an electronic version of the said corrected file"

4/I honored my my side of the agreement by sending you the file for the benefit of young players, with the only stipulation on its use that you would return file corrected.


You are reneging to honor that committment that YOU made,and now you are using John Acker as an excuse to honor you word.

Do you not think there are young players here also in Ireland and England who want to be able to get Basic Checkers at a reduced rate.In fact i give these young student players who cant afford them books for free and for the promotion of checkers wherever i find them..........................Tommy.

ANOTHER WRIGGLE AND ANOTHER LIE.....................FROM BOB.

Tommy, you do not have any right to redistribute our version of
electronic B.C. or to make printed copies to sell or give away. I
kept your copy completely private, and I expect you to do the same
with ours.

At the very moment that you confirm that you agree not to redistribute B.C. 2010 in any form I will send to you, whether or not John has agreed, so that will not be an "excuse" for me.

Bob

AN EDITED VERSION OF ACKERS THREAT OF LEGAL ACTION BELOW....................August 8, 2010


Dear Mr. Canning and Mr. Newell:
I understand that Mr. Canning has demanded an electronic copy of the Basic Checkers reissue in exchange for having lent his electronic copy (which made no substantive contributions to the reprint) to Mr. Newell during the early stages of the project. As I am the legal owner of the reissue and its sole distributor, I must ask you to cease and desist from those demands.

The Basic Checkers reissue project was conceptualized and completed to benefit youth checkers in the United States, and Richard Fortman's relatives agreed to the reprint solely on those terms. To distribute the PDF or other source files anywhere else would be to violate the terms of that legal agreement, and to alienate a valuable ally to checkers and to the ACF.

Accordingly, I am officially voiding the agreement between the two of you regarding the promised electronic copy, both because it was made before Mr. Newell relinquished ownership to me and because to distribute the project source files would explicitly violate the legal terms of the contracts and agreements involved, both with the Fortman family and with CreateSpace. Mr. Newell, should you choose to move forward with this exchange, let me state for the record that I will take legal action to protect and enforce my legal rights to the book, and to maintain the integrity of the project.

John Acker






WELL THERE IT IS IN BLACK AND WHITE, FORUM MEMBERS CAN MAKE THEIR OWN MIND UP...............

So this is the thanks i got for doing the DREAM YOUNG a good turn.Im utterly disgusted having been treated in this way by CO-MEMBERS in the ACF. All i can say is my FAITH IN HUMANITY has been shattered by these two so called DO-GOODERS and if this is the company im keeping in the ACF then its time i withdrew my membership.

As far as i can see Bob Newell in a double crosser and not a MAN OF HIS WORD........and John Acker has fooled us all and that includes the PONDER /FORTMAN families and now CLAIMS "OWNERSHIP OF BASIC CHECKERS" and acting on behalf of the ACF to do it..............

Its enough to make Richard Fortman to make turn in his grave RIP..










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[Jay H]

Without offering any opinion on the validity of the subject matter...Tommy, you probably should have started a new thread with this......

Jay H

[Eric Strange]

I said I was done posting... but this is just too much fun..

It's okay Tommy

I have basic checkers in PDN and every single game will be on my website for everyone to see... don't waste your time.
I also have TONS of other books and every single book I can get my hands on will be on my website for everyone to look at for free (The Games Parts)

can't copyright a checkers game... only the commentary. GG


P.S if anyone has PDN copies of any books and you think I may not already have it... email me at boredgames.net@gmail.com and I will add you as a contributor

Thank you,

[tommyc]

Publication of private personal information.

At Bob Newells request ive shown him the common decency he didnt afford me by editing out some of the info originally in this thread.

[BillyBoy]

Jay Bailey, You silly goose if your roof is leaking stick a pot under neath and then get it fixed. I dont think not getting your way on a topic or approval on something is worth crying over is what I meant about sucking it up. Example I give a idea to my supervisor he might not go with my idea but I wont hate him for it or dwell on it. Your trying to put house repairs or major problems into my content of topic. Billy

[Irma Sierra]

It seems the WORD of a man or woman doesn't mean anything these times...Tommy is right! In old times the WORD given was something about honor, in these times we need papers signed to do whatever? I think Bob Newel couldn't keep his WORD because John Acker... he even says it was not usefull, even if it wasn't he must be gratefull for his good willing of helping "American youth", come on people, what is going on?


TO ALAN MILHONE
Alan, you wont get tired of WARNNING?, WHY U DON'T JUST ACT???? The "kid" Josh is always rude and saying bad words in the forum, he even laughed of you....he said: oops in your face...come on Alan, ACT

And yes....we old people will die and only online checkers will live....GO FOR IT ERIC!! Show us you can make something that we old people can't even think, our mind is scared of just to think about CHANGING something in our life....

[Alex_Moiseyev]

The "kid" Josh is always rude and saying bad words in the forum

Irma, he is very reponsible, polite and intelligent young adult. I always enjoy his sarcastic posts. Unfortunately not everyone has enough sense of humor to understand his posts.

Respectfully,

AM

[Bernard Coll]

Alex, I agree with Irma, Josh insults at will,anybody who disagrees with his posts,in the full knowledge that the moderators of the ACF are not going to actually delete anybody within the (INSULT with IMPUNITY) clique within the ACF. I also include YOU within that clique. As for being the World Champion (on Merit), one would have expected you to conduct yourself in a more professional manner. I know it is hypothetical, but I cannot for one moment believe that (IF) Marion Tinsley, Asa Long and Walter Hellman, had the internet and keyboards at their disposal in their day, that they would have lowered themselves to your standard of posting! They would not have dragged the reputations of their fellow checker players (regardless of playing ability) through the mud and grime which you seem to wallow in.

[tommyc]

Jes Bernard.......... thats "way over the top" you are too sore on poor ol Alex..........where is yur Celtic sense of humor man.........dont yu know hes just"WINDING YU UP" .as for Josh youve goota excuse him hes "just a kid" fighting to be heard,like a baby a bottle time LOL

[Bernard Coll]

Jes Bernard.......... thats "way over the top" you are too sore on poor ol Alex..........where is yur Celtic sense of humor man.........dont yu know hes just"WINDING YU UP" .as for Josh youve goota excuse him hes "just a kid" fighting to be heard,like a baby a bottle time LOL

Agreed Tommy, Alex could be just "winding up" , but he has left a trail of disgruntled ACF viewers in his wake. It is not acceptable in my opinion that any individual insults and derides another poster habitually and then uses the defence it was only a "wind up". The juveniles see Alex as a role model, hence the unworthy postings from them also!

[Alan Millhone]

Dear Mr. Coll:

40 years ago in my first Checker lifetime I knew Dr. Tinsley very well and also knew his Mother , Viola . Marion was soft spoken , polite, considerate, etc. He would have never used the computer or this forum for anything but the promotion of the game he loved .

I never got to meet Hellman nor Long but am sure both would have been true champions and consumate gemtleman and would have posted games, give nsound advice to all classes of players and never have used the forum in a negative way.

Also, yes I can delete at will forum users. But ............. If I do this, few will be left

Does another want to moderate in a fair and objective way ?? Would that person delete users equally with no axe to grind ?? Many of you make it sound soooooooooooooo easy to moderate an open forum and walk the thin line of free expression and then to delete negative posts. If so and so were deleted, many would cry FOUL .

Sincerely:
Alan Millhone, President
American Checker Federation

[Bernard Coll]

Dear Mr. Coll:

40 years ago in my first Checker lifetime I knew Dr. Tinsley very well and also knew his Mother , Viola . Marion was soft spoken , polite, considerate, etc. He would have never used the computer or this forum for anything but the promotion of the game he loved .

I never got to meet Hellman nor Long but am sure both would have been true champions and consumate gemtleman and would have posted games, give nsound advice to all classes of players and never have used the forum in a negative way.

Also, yes I can delete at will forum users. But ............. If I do this, few will be left

Does another want to moderate in a fair and objective way ?? Would that person delete users equally with no axe to grind ?? Many of you make it sound soooooooooooooo easy to moderate an open forum and walk the thin line of free expression and then to delete negative posts. If so and so were deleted, many would cry FOUL .

Sincerely:
Alan Millhone, President
American Checker Federation

I agree with your comments Alan, I do not envy your position as ACF moderator. I know that I would not be "up to it"