GAYP World title match.
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rich beckwith
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Re: GAYP World title match.
Thanks for your good updates, Sergio. Best of luck to everyone this week!
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Re: GAYP World title match.
Here are several photos Sergio posted yesterday on Facebook.
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Re: GAYP World title match.
Two more photos and letter from Mississippi governor
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Re: GAYP World title match.
Two more games were played. They were quite fast, less than an hour per each game.
Something unexpected was happended at the end of the second game.
Borghetti got relaxed in a clear drawn position and made a big blunder.
So Kondlo got the game by a shot.
The score is 3 draws and 1 win in favour of Kondlo.
Here are the games:
[Event "2018 GAYP WTM - ICHF - 2/1"]
[Date "2018-09-09"]
[Black "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[White "Michele Borghetti"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 11-15 22-17 2. 8-11 17-14 3. 9x18 23x14 4. 10x17 21x14 5. 6-9 26-22 6. 9x18 24-19 7.
15x24 22x8 8. 4x11 28x19 9. 7-10 25-22 10. 2-6 30-26 11. 11-15 32-28 12. 15x24 28x19 13.
10-15 19x10 14. 6x15 22-18 15. 15x22 26x17 16. 12-16 29-25 17. 5-9 27-23 18. 9-13 25-22
19. 1-6 17-14 20. 6-10 14x7 21. 3x10 22-18 *
[Event "2018 GAYP WTM - ICHF - 2/2"]
[Date "2018-09-09"]
[Black "Michele Borghetti"]
[White "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. 11-15 23-19 2. 9-14 22-17 3. 6-9 17-13 4. 2-6 25-22 5. 8-11 29-25 6. 4-8 22-17 7. 14-18
26-23 8. 18-22 25x18 9. 15x22 23-18 10. 22-25 17-14 11. 10x17 21x14 12. 11-16 30x21 13.
16x23 24-19 14. 6-10 13x6 15. 10x17 21x14 16. 1x17 18-14 17. 8-11 27x18 18. 7-10 14x7 19.
3x10 28-24 20. 11-16 18-15 21. 16x23 15x6 22. 5-9 6-2 23. 9-13 31-27 24. 23-26 24-19 25.
26-31 27-24 26. 17-22 2-7 27. 22-26 7-10 28. 13-17 32-28 29. 31-27 10-15 30. 27x20 28-24
31. 20x27 19-16 32. 12x19 15x13 *
Something unexpected was happended at the end of the second game.
Borghetti got relaxed in a clear drawn position and made a big blunder.
So Kondlo got the game by a shot.
The score is 3 draws and 1 win in favour of Kondlo.
Here are the games:
[Event "2018 GAYP WTM - ICHF - 2/1"]
[Date "2018-09-09"]
[Black "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[White "Michele Borghetti"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 11-15 22-17 2. 8-11 17-14 3. 9x18 23x14 4. 10x17 21x14 5. 6-9 26-22 6. 9x18 24-19 7.
15x24 22x8 8. 4x11 28x19 9. 7-10 25-22 10. 2-6 30-26 11. 11-15 32-28 12. 15x24 28x19 13.
10-15 19x10 14. 6x15 22-18 15. 15x22 26x17 16. 12-16 29-25 17. 5-9 27-23 18. 9-13 25-22
19. 1-6 17-14 20. 6-10 14x7 21. 3x10 22-18 *
[Event "2018 GAYP WTM - ICHF - 2/2"]
[Date "2018-09-09"]
[Black "Michele Borghetti"]
[White "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. 11-15 23-19 2. 9-14 22-17 3. 6-9 17-13 4. 2-6 25-22 5. 8-11 29-25 6. 4-8 22-17 7. 14-18
26-23 8. 18-22 25x18 9. 15x22 23-18 10. 22-25 17-14 11. 10x17 21x14 12. 11-16 30x21 13.
16x23 24-19 14. 6-10 13x6 15. 10x17 21x14 16. 1x17 18-14 17. 8-11 27x18 18. 7-10 14x7 19.
3x10 28-24 20. 11-16 18-15 21. 16x23 15x6 22. 5-9 6-2 23. 9-13 31-27 24. 23-26 24-19 25.
26-31 27-24 26. 17-22 2-7 27. 22-26 7-10 28. 13-17 32-28 29. 31-27 10-15 30. 27x20 28-24
31. 20x27 19-16 32. 12x19 15x13 *
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Alex_Moiseyev
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Re: GAYP World title match.
This is brilliant!! My applauds to Lubabalo. Here is diagram at historical moment:
GAYP 2018, G4
M. Borghetti vs L. Kondlo,
Red to move
31-27 ??
GAYP 2018, G4
M. Borghetti vs L. Kondlo,
Red to move
31-27 ??
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Re: GAYP World title match.
This just shows the beauty of the game! It proves that you can't be relaxed for even one move against such high level players!
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sergio
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Re: GAYP World title match.
Today's game were over. The contenders played four more games. They were very fast.
Borghetti tried to change his strategy in the first game, but Kondlo made a nice sacrifice to keep out of trouble and to force a simple draw.
In the next game Borghetti made a losing move in the midgame. Kondlo didn't miss the chance and got the game.
Presentely Kondlo is leading by the score of 6 draws and 2 wins.
Here are the games:
[Event "2018 GAYP WTM - ICHF - 3/1"]
[Date "2018-09-10"]
[Black "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[White "Michele Borghetti"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 11-15 21-17 2. 9-13 25-21 3. 5-9 23-18 4. 12-16 18x11 5. 8x15 24-20 6. 16-19 27-23 7.
19-24 28x19 8. 15x24 23-18 9. 10-14 17x10 10. 7x23 26x19 11. 6-10 30-26 12. 4-8 22-18 13.
8-11 26-23 14. 2-7 29-25 15. 1-5 25-22 16. 24-28 19-16 17. 10-15 16-12 18. 9-14 18x9 19.
5x14 31-27 20. 15-19 23x16 21. 11-15 16-11 22. 7x16 20x11 23. 14-18 22-17 24. 13x22 21-17 *
[Event "GAYP WTM - ICHF - 3/2"]
[Date "2018-09-10"]
[Black "Michele Borghetti"]
[White "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. 11-16 24-19 2. 8-11 22-18 3. 9-14 18x9 4. 5x14 26-22 5. 11-15 22-18 6. 15x22 25x9 7.
6x13 29-25 8. 4-8 25-22 9. 8-11 22-18 10. 2-6 18-15 11. 11x18 23x14 12. 16x23 27x18 13.
10x17 21x14 14. 13-17 28-24 15. 12-16 24-20 16. 16-19 18-15 17. 17-22 15-11 18. 7x16 20x11
19. 1-5 32-27 *
[Event "GAYP WTM - ICHF - 4/1"]
[Date "2018-09-10"]
[Black "Michele Borghetti"]
[White "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 11-15 23-19 2. 9-14 22-17 3. 6-9 17-13 4. 2-6 25-22 5. 8-11 29-25 6. 4-8 24-20 7. 15x24
28x19 8. 11-15 27-24 9. 14-17 21x14 10. 9x18 26-23 11. 18x27 32x23 12. 10-14 19x10 13.
6x15 13-9 14. 14-18 23x14 15. 7-10 14x7 16. 3x10 30-26 17. 5x14 26-23 18. 1-6 23-19 19.
8-11 25-21 20. 6-9 31-26 21. 14-18 22-17 *
[Event "GAYP WTM - ICHF - 4/2"]
[Date "2018-09-10"]
[Black "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[White "Michele Borghetti"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 11-15 22-17 2. 8-11 17-14 3. 9x18 23x14 4. 10x17 21x14 5. 12-16 26-23 6. 16-19 23x16 7.
11x20 24-19 8. 15x24 28x19 9. 4-8 30-26 10. 8-11 25-21 11. 11-15 19x10 12. 6x15 29-25 13.
1-6 25-22 14. 20-24 27x20 15. 6-9 14-10 16. 7x14 22-17 17. 2-7 17x10 18. 7x14 20-16 19.
9-13 16-11 20. 5-9 32-27 21. 13-17 26-22 22. 17x26 31x22 23. 14-18 22-17 24. 9-13 17-14
25. 18-22 14-10 26. 22-26 11-7 27. 26-31 27-24 28. 31-27 24-20 29. 27-23 7-2 30. 23-18
10-6 31. 15-19 6-1 32. 19-23 1-6 33. 3-7 *
Borghetti tried to change his strategy in the first game, but Kondlo made a nice sacrifice to keep out of trouble and to force a simple draw.
In the next game Borghetti made a losing move in the midgame. Kondlo didn't miss the chance and got the game.
Presentely Kondlo is leading by the score of 6 draws and 2 wins.
Here are the games:
[Event "2018 GAYP WTM - ICHF - 3/1"]
[Date "2018-09-10"]
[Black "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[White "Michele Borghetti"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 11-15 21-17 2. 9-13 25-21 3. 5-9 23-18 4. 12-16 18x11 5. 8x15 24-20 6. 16-19 27-23 7.
19-24 28x19 8. 15x24 23-18 9. 10-14 17x10 10. 7x23 26x19 11. 6-10 30-26 12. 4-8 22-18 13.
8-11 26-23 14. 2-7 29-25 15. 1-5 25-22 16. 24-28 19-16 17. 10-15 16-12 18. 9-14 18x9 19.
5x14 31-27 20. 15-19 23x16 21. 11-15 16-11 22. 7x16 20x11 23. 14-18 22-17 24. 13x22 21-17 *
[Event "GAYP WTM - ICHF - 3/2"]
[Date "2018-09-10"]
[Black "Michele Borghetti"]
[White "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. 11-16 24-19 2. 8-11 22-18 3. 9-14 18x9 4. 5x14 26-22 5. 11-15 22-18 6. 15x22 25x9 7.
6x13 29-25 8. 4-8 25-22 9. 8-11 22-18 10. 2-6 18-15 11. 11x18 23x14 12. 16x23 27x18 13.
10x17 21x14 14. 13-17 28-24 15. 12-16 24-20 16. 16-19 18-15 17. 17-22 15-11 18. 7x16 20x11
19. 1-5 32-27 *
[Event "GAYP WTM - ICHF - 4/1"]
[Date "2018-09-10"]
[Black "Michele Borghetti"]
[White "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 11-15 23-19 2. 9-14 22-17 3. 6-9 17-13 4. 2-6 25-22 5. 8-11 29-25 6. 4-8 24-20 7. 15x24
28x19 8. 11-15 27-24 9. 14-17 21x14 10. 9x18 26-23 11. 18x27 32x23 12. 10-14 19x10 13.
6x15 13-9 14. 14-18 23x14 15. 7-10 14x7 16. 3x10 30-26 17. 5x14 26-23 18. 1-6 23-19 19.
8-11 25-21 20. 6-9 31-26 21. 14-18 22-17 *
[Event "GAYP WTM - ICHF - 4/2"]
[Date "2018-09-10"]
[Black "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[White "Michele Borghetti"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 11-15 22-17 2. 8-11 17-14 3. 9x18 23x14 4. 10x17 21x14 5. 12-16 26-23 6. 16-19 23x16 7.
11x20 24-19 8. 15x24 28x19 9. 4-8 30-26 10. 8-11 25-21 11. 11-15 19x10 12. 6x15 29-25 13.
1-6 25-22 14. 20-24 27x20 15. 6-9 14-10 16. 7x14 22-17 17. 2-7 17x10 18. 7x14 20-16 19.
9-13 16-11 20. 5-9 32-27 21. 13-17 26-22 22. 17x26 31x22 23. 14-18 22-17 24. 9-13 17-14
25. 18-22 14-10 26. 22-26 11-7 27. 26-31 27-24 28. 31-27 24-20 29. 27-23 7-2 30. 23-18
10-6 31. 15-19 6-1 32. 19-23 1-6 33. 3-7 *
Last edited by sergio on Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Alex_Moiseyev
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Re: GAYP World title match.
World GAYP 2018, G6
M. Borghetti vs L . Kondlo
Red to move and draw
Michelle played here losing 1-5? and resigned after 32-27.
Draw was still available after 19-23*, 31-27, 22-26*, 27x18, 26-31 =
M. Borghetti vs L . Kondlo
Red to move and draw
Michelle played here losing 1-5? and resigned after 32-27.
Draw was still available after 19-23*, 31-27, 22-26*, 27x18, 26-31 =
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sergio
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Re: GAYP World title match.
It's better to focus on the 15th move, 12-16. It is very weak move.
The endgame is hard to draw. Before checking the program we all thought it was an easy win for white.
Here's the best line for both sides:
15. 12-16?? 24-20 16. 16-19 18-15 17. 17-22 15-11 18. 7x16 20x11 19. 19-23 31-27 20. 22-26 27x18 21. 26-31 14-9 22. 6x13 18-14 23. 1-6 14-9 24. 6-10 9-6 25. 10-14 6-1 26. 14-18 1-6 27. 18-23 6-10 28. 31-26 11-7 29. 3-8 10-15 30. 8-12 * draw
It's a published endgame. Red draws the game because has the move.
The endgame is hard to draw. Before checking the program we all thought it was an easy win for white.
Here's the best line for both sides:
15. 12-16?? 24-20 16. 16-19 18-15 17. 17-22 15-11 18. 7x16 20x11 19. 19-23 31-27 20. 22-26 27x18 21. 26-31 14-9 22. 6x13 18-14 23. 1-6 14-9 24. 6-10 9-6 25. 10-14 6-1 26. 14-18 1-6 27. 18-23 6-10 28. 31-26 11-7 29. 3-8 10-15 30. 8-12 * draw
It's a published endgame. Red draws the game because has the move.
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Alex_Moiseyev
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Re: GAYP World title match.
Peterson draw - red keep mans on 13 and 12.
White to move, red draw.
The main idea in this posiotion is - red shall not try to advance their mans on 12 or 13 which leads to loss.
And yea-a-a … of course you absolutely right - 12-16 was out of order move, that's for sure!
Red to move.
12-16? very weak.
17-22 (or 7-11) works much better and easy for red.
Miki concentration needs to be improved.
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sergio
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Re: GAYP World title match.
2018 GAYP WTM
The fourth day of play is still underway. Ten games were played. Kondlo won the tenth.
The score is 7 draws and 3 wins in favour of Kondlo.
Here are the games:
[Event "2018 GAYP WTM - ICHF - 5/1 "]
[Date "2018-09-11"]
[Black "Michele Borghetti"]
[White "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 9-14 22-17 2. 11-15 25-22 3. 8-11 23-19 4. 6-9 17-13 5. 2-6 29-25 6. 4-8 24-20 7. 15x24
28x19 8. 11-15 27-24 9. 14-17 21x14 10. 9x18 26-23 11. 18x27 32x23 12. 10-14 19x10 13.
6x15 13-9 14. 14-18 23x14 *
[Event "2018 GAYP WTM - ICHF - 5/2"]
[Date "2018-09-11"]
[Black "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[White "Michele Borghetti"]
[Result "1-0"]
1. 11-15 22-17 2. 8-11 17-14 3. 9x18 23x14 4. 10x17 21x14 5. 12-16 26-23 6. 16-19 23x16 7.
11x20 24-19 8. 15x24 28x19 9. 6-9 30-26 10. 9x18 26-23 11. 18-22 25x18 12. 7-10 29-25 13.
5-9 18-15 14. 10-14 19-16 15. 14-17 25-22 16. 17x26 31x22 17. 9-14 23-18 18. 14x23 27x18
19. 20-24 18-14 20. 4-8 16-12 21. 3-7 12x3 22. 7-10 *
The fourth day of play is still underway. Ten games were played. Kondlo won the tenth.
The score is 7 draws and 3 wins in favour of Kondlo.
Here are the games:
[Event "2018 GAYP WTM - ICHF - 5/1 "]
[Date "2018-09-11"]
[Black "Michele Borghetti"]
[White "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 9-14 22-17 2. 11-15 25-22 3. 8-11 23-19 4. 6-9 17-13 5. 2-6 29-25 6. 4-8 24-20 7. 15x24
28x19 8. 11-15 27-24 9. 14-17 21x14 10. 9x18 26-23 11. 18x27 32x23 12. 10-14 19x10 13.
6x15 13-9 14. 14-18 23x14 *
[Event "2018 GAYP WTM - ICHF - 5/2"]
[Date "2018-09-11"]
[Black "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[White "Michele Borghetti"]
[Result "1-0"]
1. 11-15 22-17 2. 8-11 17-14 3. 9x18 23x14 4. 10x17 21x14 5. 12-16 26-23 6. 16-19 23x16 7.
11x20 24-19 8. 15x24 28x19 9. 6-9 30-26 10. 9x18 26-23 11. 18-22 25x18 12. 7-10 29-25 13.
5-9 18-15 14. 10-14 19-16 15. 14-17 25-22 16. 17x26 31x22 17. 9-14 23-18 18. 14x23 27x18
19. 20-24 18-14 20. 4-8 16-12 21. 3-7 12x3 22. 7-10 *
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Alex_Moiseyev
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Re: GAYP World title match.
World GAYP 2018, G10
L. Kondlo vs M. Borghetti
White to move
18-14??, 4-8 Red Wins
I am going to stop my comments on this match.
AM
L. Kondlo vs M. Borghetti
White to move
18-14??, 4-8 Red Wins
I am going to stop my comments on this match.
AM
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Alex_Moiseyev
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Re: GAYP World title match.
Few more photos from Sergio on Facebook
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sergio
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Re: GAYP World title match.
Two more games.
Kondlo won the 12th game. I think Kondlo's line is a new one.
The score is: 8 draws and 4 wins in favour of Kondlo.
[Event "2018 GAYP WTM - ICHF - 6/1 "]
[Date "2018-09-11"]
[Black "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[White "Mihele Borghetti"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 11-15 22-17 2. 8-11 17-14 3. 9x18 23x14 4. 10x17 21x14 5. 12-16 26-23 6. 16-19 23x16 7.
11x20 24-19 8. 15x24 28x19 9. 6-9 30-26 10. 9x18 27-24 11. 20x27 32x14 12. 4-8 25-22 13.
8-11 29-25 14. 1-6 26-23 15. 6-10 31-26 16. 10x17 22x13 17. 7-10 23-18 18. 2-7 26-23 19.
10-14 18x9 20. 5x14 25-22 21. 14-17 22-18 22. 17-22 19-15 23. 22-26 15x8 24. 3x12 18-15 *
[Event "2018 GAYP WTM - ICHF - 6/2"]
[Date "2018-09-11"]
[Black "Michele Borghetti"]
[White "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. 11-15 23-19 2. 9-14 22-17 3. 6-9 17-13 4. 2-6 26-22 5. 8-11 27-23 6. 14-18 23x14 7.
10x26 19x10 8. 7x14 31x22 9. 4-8 22-17 10. 14-18 25-22 11. 18x25 29x22 12. 11-15 32-27 13.
3-7 27-23 14. 7-10 23-18 15. 8-11 24-20 16. 12-16 28-24 17. 16-19 17-14 18. 19x28 14x7 19.
28-32 7-3 20. 32-27 30-26 21. 15-19 3-8 22. 11-16 20x11 23. 27-23 22-17 24. 23x30 11-7 25.
30-26 18-15 26. 26-22 8-11 27. 22-26 15-10 28. 6x15 13x6 29. 1x10 11x18 30. 19-24 7-2 *
Kondlo won the 12th game. I think Kondlo's line is a new one.
The score is: 8 draws and 4 wins in favour of Kondlo.
[Event "2018 GAYP WTM - ICHF - 6/1 "]
[Date "2018-09-11"]
[Black "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[White "Mihele Borghetti"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. 11-15 22-17 2. 8-11 17-14 3. 9x18 23x14 4. 10x17 21x14 5. 12-16 26-23 6. 16-19 23x16 7.
11x20 24-19 8. 15x24 28x19 9. 6-9 30-26 10. 9x18 27-24 11. 20x27 32x14 12. 4-8 25-22 13.
8-11 29-25 14. 1-6 26-23 15. 6-10 31-26 16. 10x17 22x13 17. 7-10 23-18 18. 2-7 26-23 19.
10-14 18x9 20. 5x14 25-22 21. 14-17 22-18 22. 17-22 19-15 23. 22-26 15x8 24. 3x12 18-15 *
[Event "2018 GAYP WTM - ICHF - 6/2"]
[Date "2018-09-11"]
[Black "Michele Borghetti"]
[White "Lubabalo Kondlo"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. 11-15 23-19 2. 9-14 22-17 3. 6-9 17-13 4. 2-6 26-22 5. 8-11 27-23 6. 14-18 23x14 7.
10x26 19x10 8. 7x14 31x22 9. 4-8 22-17 10. 14-18 25-22 11. 18x25 29x22 12. 11-15 32-27 13.
3-7 27-23 14. 7-10 23-18 15. 8-11 24-20 16. 12-16 28-24 17. 16-19 17-14 18. 19x28 14x7 19.
28-32 7-3 20. 32-27 30-26 21. 15-19 3-8 22. 11-16 20x11 23. 27-23 22-17 24. 23x30 11-7 25.
30-26 18-15 26. 26-22 8-11 27. 22-26 15-10 28. 6x15 13x6 29. 1x10 11x18 30. 19-24 7-2 *