Women's World Freestyle Championship

[Lindus Edwards]

I hope with all sincerity that the women's world three-move championship will be played. I too am interested to find out if the match is on or has been postponed as I am very much looking forward to seeing some great games. If the match takes place soon then the very best of luck to both ladies.
Alex, there is nothing sinister in trying to find out if the match is on. I am a great supporter of checkers and have been for nearly forty years, and am therefore most interested in this match.

[Lindus Edwards]

Wilma Wolverton is having difficulty trying to log into this forum and has asked me to post the following message on her behalf:

“I don’t agree with the WCDF’s decision. I think Jan DID WANT TO play the match. She stated she would depart as soon as she received the airfare. Was that asking too much after Hoja’s bid of over $7000? Jan needed that reassurance after so much difficulty in dealing with Hoja. A better solution would have been if the match could have been arranged in a neutral location.

The idea of having all the e-mails reviewed by non-biased persons is a good one.

Must Amangul forever remain the women’s World champion because Hoja is so difficult to deal with?”

[rich beckwith]

I don't think there is much more to add to previous statement that "challanger has withdrawn" regarding Amangul-Javzan match. I personally did not negotiate all details of match, but short synopsis is that Mongolia originally had nice bid in September alongside 100-square event. Turkmenistan had conflict with Septemeber dates with Amangul, so November dates were proposed. Turkmenistan then had concerns about cold November weather in Mongolia, so October dates were agreed upon by both parties. After this, communications (and interest) from Mongolia began to dissipate. I'm not sure of full personal reasons for their withdrawal, as their reasoning was not clearly disclosed. It's possible swine flu concern was even a consideration.

[kiwinurse]

Its also possible swine flu is preferable to dealing with Hoja.

[kiwinurse]

Wilma Wolveton,who won the world qualifier,and was challenger in gayp for the next world match has given me permission to tell the readers of the forum,that she too does not wish to play Amangul and has written to Ian Caws stating that fact.

[tommyc]

Now we have real problems and bad news on both fronts Richard,from Mongolia and from Wilma.I doubt if i can do anything with the Mongolia situ but i would plead with Wilma to re-consider her decision as there are many permutations and i would be willng to help in any negotiations neccessary.

[Irma Sierra]

“I don’t agree with the WCDF’s decision. I think Jan DID WANT TO play the match. She stated she would depart as soon as she received the airfare. Was that asking too much after Hoja’s bid of over $7000? Jan needed that reassurance after so much difficulty in dealing with Hoja. A better solution would have been if the match could have been arranged in a neutral location.

The idea of having all the e-mails reviewed by non-biased persons is a good one.

Must Amangul forever remain the women’s World champion because Hoja is so difficult to deal with?”

It seems Amangul will be LIFE WORLD CHAMP!!! I bet mr Hoja is very happy! (and Alex?)

[Dennis Cayton]

To The Honorable Mr. Moiseyev:

I have been taking the time to review some of your past statements on the subject of racism.

For example:

On the date of August 22, 2009, you posted the following statenents:

I don't think WCDF should support racism and people who made racists statements. Some sanctions must be taken by GA.

I, personally, am against any forms of racism or discrimination. We all should stand together and say - NO RACISM AND NO RACISTS IN CHECKERS !!!

I, personally, against any form of racism.

In view of these statements, I was shocked when I read the following statement you most recently posted on the date of September 19, 2009:

Perhaps Asian culture, attitude and ethic standards are more healthy and stronger in spirit than Western aggresive behavior.

This is a racist statement.

According to your previous statements quoted above, you are opposed to racist statements and the practice of racism.

Please allow me to return to one of your earlier statements quoted above:

I don't think WCDF should support racism and people who made racists statements. Some sanctions must be taken by GA.

In order to honor this statement, are you going to disqualify yourself from the support of the WCDF?

What kind of sanctions do you think you deserve?

On the date of August 22, 2009, you also wrote the following statement:

Jan putted here very insulted and disturb statements regarding nation, religion and traditions.

Upon reviewing the evidence, I have not seen any statement from Jan which can be logically and objectively subsumed under the definition of an insult.

The perception of an insult, and the reaction of feeling insulted, does not prove that an insult was actually committed by the party who was perceived as having committed the alleged insult.

Let us take another look at your statement of September 19, 2009:

Perhaps Asian culture, attitude and ethic standards are more healthy and stronger in spirit than Western aggresive behavior.

Your statement above is a clear and definite insult against Western people and their behavior.

With all due respect, I believe you need to take some time off to engage in a period of some serious self-examination, including a fearless moral inventory, of your own racial attitudes.

A reconciliation between your previously stated opposition to racist statements and cultural insults, and the racist statement and cultural insult you most recently committed on the date of September 19, 2009, would be a positive step on behalf of your ongoing character development.

Very Sincerely,

Dennis Cayton

[Dennis Cayton]

Dennis,
Alex was merely contrasting the two cultures. Social scientists have done many studies and have concluded that Asian cultures are more collective, conservative, family orientated whereas Western cultures produce more individually orientated individuals who are a bit more crass on average.

As much as I would enjoy discussing the merits and weaknesses of these studies with you, I must dutifully refrain from doing so.

This forum is not the proper forum or thread for a sociological debate.

Instead, this thread was created and intended for the discussion of the ongoing saga of the Women's World Freestyle Championship Match, as designated by the title of this thread.

Perhaps. this discussion can be continued in the ACF "Broken Boards" Forum, which has been designated for the "Discussion of all things non-checkers."

It seems to me that you may be prejudice against non-native English speakers.

Let me begin by issuing a public apology to Jan Mortimer for the following off-topic reply on behalf of my self-defense, as well as for my previous diversionary comments from the intended topic of this thread.

Josh, your statement above is a prejudicial statement itself.

There is no factual basis for your statement, nor is there any substantiating evidence to support and prove your statement.

I suggest you read the rules of the forum, particularly the sections against the verbal attack of individuals.

I have read the rules of this forum, and I have not engaged in the verbal attack of anybody on this forum.

Instead, I provided an objective and descriptive observation of another poster's statements on this forum.

Let us now return to the discussion of the topic for which this thread was created and intended.

Thanks in advance.

Very Sincerely,

Dennis Cayton

[Alex_Moiseyev]

To The Honorable Mr. Moiseyev:

You welcome Dennis ! I am glad to see you back to forum with valuable anf constructive inputs.

Perhaps Asian culture, attitude and ethic standards are more healthy and stronger in spirit than Western aggresive behavior.

This is a racist statement.

No, this is not a racist statement. This is scientific dispuite. I do certainly beleive that Asian culture is more healthy than Western culture. If you disagree with me - I would be glad to hear your arguments but not in this topic.

Today Western civilization is dominated in the world, but things are going to be change. Asian culture is more familily oriented, and more collective. Western culture is individual and more aggressive. If this insult you and other people, then you should probably try to change things.

Let us now return to the discussion of the topic for which this thread was created and intended.

Dear Dennis,

I didn't create all this most recent tread. I had some statement in my previous post abvout Asian culture which was inside statement regarding Ladies 3-moves match. You took it out, commented, but when you've got response back, you said - "Lets stop".

This is a typical "double standard" policy ... think about.

Wilma Wolveton ...

Wolverton.

Respectfully,

Alex Moiseyev

[MostFamousDane]

All of you should start acting like grownups, and the moderator should close this thread.

Hear Hear.

Moderation != Censorship

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/moderat ... on-11.html

[tommyc]

If the world champion acts like a fool (with his dark humor) then he must be treated like a fool,with no censorship needed.


I wouldnt say he was the reason for the shambles but he was "unhelpful" with his April fool..........which was more likened to a small boys practical joke not something one might expect from a man in his position who had been thru the bad experience of having his own match cancelled,and therefore should have known better..........making him look really foolish in the eyes up most right thinking people.

ps. once a wolf always a wolf.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Tommy, you didn't understand a whole thing about dark humor. First of all - dark humor is a big part of my life and personality. In addition - dark humor is a part of Russian national culture and traditions.

Life in Russia historically is very hard. Yes, we are joking about very serious and absolutely not funny things, and this helps us to be stronger and go over this and handle things. We, Russians, never cry.

For now and in future I certainly do not want to change anything with my personality, attitude and soul, and anyway - it is impossible. But what really surprise me - I don't try to teach my little western brothers how to live and what to do, but they always try to teach me ... maybe because they can't handle well themselves.

I am proud of having a dark humor in my soul and heart and I never give up on this, my personality and nationality. Maybe it's my life destination - to bring a dark humor to Anglo-American checkers community !

JOKER

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Here is my dark humor joke which I composed for this post:

after match cancelation reporter from newspaper asked a world champion:

- is there anything good for you with such horrible outcome ?

- yes, I've got a good savings on my lucky pen and can use the current one in my next match !

[Lindus Edwards]

As to any possible future in show business as a comedian I cannot say that I am bursting with enthusiasm for you Alex.
Concerning your attempt at a bit of “dark humour” I have been sitting here, for the last hour, wondering when I am supposed to laugh!

[william]

Listen guys ,

Let's clear the air a bit !

There have been a lot of errors made , sure , and at the moment Jan is the only one paying for them !

Any other bickering definately should be done on another thread called something like " let's kick each others asses and act like old grandpas in a :!: retirement home "!!

Come on everybody , let's accept others ' faults and mistakes and get on with the future , deciding on how to avoid this the next time around .

I only propose that Jan name two people in her defense , and that those two people be recognised as the spokesmen in this dilema by the WCDF .

That the WCDF play the game , and comunicate without reserve on all negotiations that had taken place.

That the two spokesmen reveal all elements of communication that Jan holds.

That each party recognises , if so , their errors or mistakes made either directly or undirectly .

That The world title holder ( feminin) Also reveals all correspondence relating to postponed match.( or her father!!)

ONCE AND ONLY ONCE all the cards are laid FACE UP on the table , can there truly be a decision made , ( even if there seems to have been one already taken ... the governing body must take into account the demand for a re-apraisal of the situation , by a huge amount of people ).

In sum if this is not done then we will clearly see who is poking the stick in the wheel.

In reply to this post , I would hope that replies from Jan , WCDF representitive , and Hoja be forthcoming as soon as possible

In the meantime guys let's keep cool , it'll help the situation , and Jan

WILLIAM