It's Your Turn

Roberto L Ernest · Post by **Roberto L Ernest** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:39 am

GoldToken is in the process of becoming a Checker player's paradise, it seems, with all the variants that will be available.

Roberto (papaTrex), Chicago IL -- Fri 16/2 at 6,40

Patrick Parker · Post by **Patrick Parker** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:16 am

add 11 man ballot while you are at it.....thats a good variation

Mary Strazicich · Post by **Mary Strazicich** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:23 pm

And wouldn't it be awesome if GoldToken became a Checker player's paradise!!

11 man ballot

Is it a tournament style? Can you please explain what an "11 man ballot" is and how we can install this as a game feature. Is there a link you can share with me that explains it? I googled and only found references to tournaments like this below:

http://www.jimloy.com/acf/ACFB00.html Marion Tinsley played one match involving GAYP, a forty game mixed event with Professor W. R. Fraser. Ten games were played on each of the GAYP, Two-Move, Three-Move, and Eleven Man Ballot styles. (The games may be found in Fraser's Inferno.)

If it would make Checker players drool, and can be done, we will definately put it up!

Italian Checkers is now completed and available for testing on GoldToken's beta site. Our checker programmer is deeply interested in seeing these variations work properly. So please, if you have the time, do come help us test them.

~~Mary

Alex_Moiseyev · Post by **Alex_Moiseyev** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:58 am

Mary Strazicich wrote:Is it a tournament style? Can you please explain what an "11 man ballot" is

Dear Mary !

Obviously 11 man ballot is very interesting and most exciting form of game and is recognised and highly respected by checkers fraternity. There is a World Title, which recently became vacant after reigning World Champion, Elbert Lowder from North Carolina, passed away two months ago.

I played few years ago match with him and we ended up with even score: 6-6-8. Here are the rules to start game:

Each player use a cards to remove one man from row #2 or row #3 (row #1 is untouchable) After than players pick 2 man ballot opening - one move for each opponennt.

If we picked the move for the man which is already removed, then we should move another man in the same directions.

For instance: if you removed man on 11 and picked move 11-15 then you have to move 8-11, if you removed man on 11 and picked move 11-16, then you have to move 7-11. And if you removed man on 12 and picked move 12-16, then you have to move 8-12.

There are 3,136 openings (49x64) generated by this system, but some of them are repeatable. Number of unique openings - 2,500. There are also rumors that about 300 oif them are losses, but noone knows for sure, because noone ever study this seriously, and no published play available.

Mary, please, let me know when this feature will be installed (VOG failed to do this) and I'll be glad to visit your site.

Sincerely,

Alex Moiseyev
checkers player

Mary Strazicich · Post by **Mary Strazicich** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:06 am

Alex , I would be most happy to see this installed at GoldToken. I will give what you have written to my programmer to look over. If I have any questions, will message you directly.

Alex_Moiseyev · Post by **Alex_Moiseyev** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:39 am

OK, Mary ! Pass my personal salute to programmers and tell them that if they will be able to do this - they will be first pioneers. VOG promised to do this one time, but dfailed.

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I want to correct myself, The move which we pick for each side is not from 2-move deck, it is from 1-move deck !

So, for white (and red) there might be 7 choices.

Red: 9-13, 9-14, 10-14, 10-15, 11-15, 11-16, 12-16
White: 21-17, 22-17, 22-18, 23-18, 23-19, 24-19, 24-20

Alex Moiseyev
checkers player

Mary Strazicich · Post by **Mary Strazicich** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:18 pm

Nice bear Alex! Much cleaner than the pig.

Honestly...while it seems relatively complicated, 11 Man Ballot shouldn't be impossible. GoldToken's programmers love a good challenge! If they are not able to do it, then it can't be done.

For the moment, we are going to complete testing on the current new checker games, and a couple other games that are already in production. But once finished, I am anticipating we will have 11 Man Ballot and Turkish Checkers both in our beta for testing by mid March. You are welcome to come help us finish testing so we can get started on these two just that much sooner!

Are you going to play for the 11 man ballot World Title? What fun to have played a World Champion! It would surely do him an honor if you won it!

~~Mary

Mary Strazicich · Post by **Mary Strazicich** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:05 pm

My humble appologies Alex. I was just told you are The World Champion! Please ignor my last bumbling comment. :-)

~~Mary. the blunderer

Alex_Moiseyev · Post by **Alex_Moiseyev** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:30 pm

Mary Strazicich wrote:I was just told you are The World Champion!

Mary, nothing to appologise for !

Yes, I am a World Champion, but only for the 3-move restriction World Title. Ron King from Barbados is reigning GAYP World Champion, and as I said - 11 man ballott World Title is currently vacant.

So, if I will fight for 11 man ballot - I will be in the role of Challenger ... as well as my opponent (s).

To anyone who concerns:

I don't have any intention to claim vacant title, but will be glad to get it in real fight - match or tournament.

Sincerely,

Alex Moiseyev
checkers player

Mary Strazicich · Post by **Mary Strazicich** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:36 am

That is a match I would love to watch!

Pedro Saavedra · Post by **Pedro Saavedra** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:26 pm

One thing I am not sure Alex realizes is that Gold Token is turn-based. Now, this is the mode that I prefer. VOG, I have heard, offers live play, which I do not like for a variety of reasons (among them because my connection is often dropped). Correct me if I am wrong, Alex, but I believe you have a decided preference for live play.

By the way, Gold Token prohibits the use of programs and says so in no uncertain terms. Turn-based game sites vary from expressly allowing them (some chess sites) to expressly forbidding them. I have mixed feelings on the matter (I think computer assisted play can be interesting when agreed upon) but abide by the express rules of the site. The problem is that some sites do not address the issue and different players have different notions of what is fair.

Alex_Moiseyev · Post by **Alex_Moiseyev** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:01 am

Pedro,

currently I am playing draughts on Kurnik site and am quite satisfy with this. However I'll be glad to visit Gold Token, especially if they have 11-man ballott room. Anyway - I am glad to be at any place where I can find a good opponents. When everyone moved out of VOG - I did the same thing. So - I am where you are !

If I can't help checkers to make more money, maybe my destination is - just recruite more people, and ... who knows, some day they'll make a good money :lol:

All these kids on Kurnik like to see my games and I feel comfortable with them ... sometimes more comfortable than among adults :lol:

New generation on Kurnik is very close to start playing in real events. If this happened some day (I anticipate - this year) - my two cents will be there.

Alex

P.R. · Post by **P.R.** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:58 am

Alex plays in kurnik under nickname "rusms". Anyone who says Masters can't play speed games, Alex's play in kurnik is evidence against it - for he has one of the top 5 highest active ratings.

http://www.kurnik.org/intl/en/stat.phtml?uid=rusms&gid=cu&sk=2

This link goes directly to Alex's kurnik games. I hope Alex doesn't mind me posting the link - the games are made public anyways.

Alex_Moiseyev · Post by **Alex_Moiseyev** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:29 am

Patrick Rickards wrote:I hope Alex doesn't mind

I don't mind. Usually when I play games, the room collects 15-20 people watching. Recently I sold 3 copies of Sixth to Kurnik players and hope to make more. If someone wants to study seriously my games, they can watch them or buy my book ... or sometimes just ask a questions.

Sincerely,

Alex

P.R. · Post by **P.R.** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:37 am

I'll ask a question then.

1. 11-15 23-19 2. 8-11 22-17 3. 4-8 25-22 4. 9-13 26-23 5. 15-18 23x14

Is this move 5. 15-18 considered draw and has it been played in any live tournament games?

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