Clash of online and offline players: they will meet

[Palomino]

Jan Wrote:

...if induividual members want to donate towards a fund specifally for the online players to attend. Nothing wrong with that.

Surely, we all can agree with that.

I suggest that any online player short of funds and wishing to attend a state or national tournament, let it be known, and then pledge their winnings to any sponsor or group willing to step forward and foot the bill.

Regards..."Pal"

[jaguar72]

Excellent posts Bernard, Jan, and Palomino. These concerns, all of which I share, really need to be addressed by the Federation as soon as possible.

And, incidentally, asking hard questions about any organization's financial management and use of available funds is not inherently "provocative", divisive, or negative; it is simply both realistic and prudent and can prevent huge problems down the road.

There you have it.

Very respectfully,

Gary Jenkins/jaguar72

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Results of pool :

from 203 ACF forum members only 5 negative and rest (198) - positive responses. Very impressive. We can live with this. I am glad to see that most valuable ACF forum members support this idea and agree with my proposals. We can go from there now.

It seems like Jolt didn't show an interest, Chee and Fredo kindly agreed and accepted my offer (many thanks them for this) and I will talk with Ray. Lets cross fingers hoping he will not be very egoistic and helps ACF to survive. This is our future and only hopes.

[Danny_Alvarez]

Bernard , what you are saying is a valid point. But life is a risk.... everything is a risk. I think the ACF has to risk that these guys won't show up again. So what at least they have a clean conscience that they tried to help and grow the game.

Do we really see how this goes???? if our leaders do nothing to help "women and youth" (the biggest topic in this forum it would seem) they are crucified....
If they try to help the youth to attend a national tournament they are crucified...

So let's take a risk and help them and hopefully they will join our ranks, NOTHING in life is certain. and lets stop crucifying decision makers, please.

Cheers
Danny Alvarez

[Danny_Alvarez]

I can only agree with Bernard in this,hes absolutely right.And what is being proposed is actually discriminating .....
. But touching ACF funding is just a case of financial mismanagement.

Jan you know how much i respect you, if you dont. Let me state it outright. I admire your passion for the game, I admire how much money you have invested in this and I feel that despite the unfortunate circumstances you were submitted to, you held your head high.

But i have to disagree on these grounds..... We dont even know if they will touch the ACF fund, so making a big fuss about HYPOTHETICALS is not right.

Regards,
Danny Alvarez

PS Jan i hope I can meet you and the fine checker folk in NZ soon so i can voice my admiration in person over a cuppa.

[Danny_Alvarez]

Let's all calm down.
2011 could be a year where checker attendance drops to new lows...I wouldn't care.
Checkers is just a game, pretty much played for pennies......
We all like to make a big deal and go down each others throat for such a small game.

Josh.... i feel that this is distracting from the main issue at hand so i will start a new thread to reply to this....

Danny Alvarez

[kiwinurse]

Bless you Danny.I hope we will meet in February at our national.And like i said theres nothing wrong with private donations for these people,Alex might like to contribute some money to send them to the nationals as it is his idea,and thats great.But really to use ACF funding when its stretched to even find prize money for a match,then thats another story.The support of women and youth was more in the lines of better prize money to encourage everyone to come,not fares paid to come.
Support in better prize money helps the federations to grow,not random people getting handouts.Those handouts could be put towards better prize money i reckon.Just my opinion and we all think differently,regards jan

[Danny_Alvarez]

i would love to attend Jan... i am hoping this thursday to know the fate of my business.

fingers crossed

cheers
Danny Alvarez

[kiwinurse]

wowee,will certainly hope things go well for you,regards jan

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Seems as if most of the antagonistic behavior is only from a few individuals.

You right, number of domestic and foreign jerks is not very big.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Lets return back to business. I spoke with Fredo last night and he said that he can drive from Chicago if it won't be a long way. This may give us a good money saving for the whole deal compare with bus costs expanses. It depends now - what National bid we have: location and time. I hope we should learn this soon.

Getting best online players into real tournaments will definetely benefit checkers.

Several yers ago I tried to get more attention to "strong players league" but wasn't very successful. They are passing away, becoming inactive, quiting. This time was lost. Today we should change our strategy and immediately recriute new ones. I am telling you folks - if we don't do this today, another 5-10 years will be crucial and critical, we can lose our ground - champions.

Without champions and strong players checkers is not a sport anymore, it's more like "Tic-Tac-Toc". Strong players, grandmasters and champions keep game alive at respectable level.

If I have a choice - love game but keep it at "penny like" level or hate the game and being paid, play checkers for living and write in bank mortgage application: "Profession - checkers player" ... then my choice is quite obvious

Absolutely everything Jo (lt/sh) said is painful but true. I agree with each his statement regarding miserable status of checkers today.

[Jason Solan]

Prediction....The online players will do VERY VERY well in a real tourn.

Fifty-fifty. They will definetely do MUCH BETTER then some old sceptics and pessimist predict, but not as good as other optimist may think LOL ... So - it will be very surprising for everyone. Yes, Clint, Clay, Steve did extremely well in Majors and won it, but in Masters they never being on top 6 at first showup. Experience and knowledges are crucial and cannot be replace.

It is a fun online play, but not much fun and sometimes boring and painful in real play. Do not underestimate old crocodiles, they still didn't lose all their teeths ! Thats why I really want online players to come - they never saw such high psychological pressure before, but in other hands - I am sure they can handle it.

Adam said - not much money involve. True. But in other hands - he is a millionare ? Probably not and same with other players. But checkers is a great life hobby. You have it to the rest of your life and your co-workers and neghboors don't have it which makes your life much more interesting and richer.

Think about ...

I am betting on Fredo - he maybe in top 6. Not because he is better then Jolt or Ray, but he has better GAYP attitutude and control on his emotions which are MUST skills for GAYP.

Regards,

Alex

Alex, there's a huge difference between internet players of 5-10 years ago and internet players of today.
Resources.
Computing power has massively increased and programs used for study are stronger. Plus playok automatically records games for you, so players can go back and study even casual games.
I don't doubt that experience and handling pressure situations are a big part of the masters, but I think it's quite possible that preparation and study can overcome a lack of experience.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

but I think it's quite possible that preparation and study can overcome a lack of experience.

Yes, and what is at the end of preparation / study ? Online player becomes a strong player as all other strong masters /granmaster from real play. Thats all.

I am going to assist and help Fredo and Chee (if they need my help !) to be prepared for National and make it less painful and more successful and enjoyable.

The biggest problem most of them have - they don't know what to do with extra time !

Jason, time changed, technology changed, computers changed, programs changed, but human nature and society didn't get much imporvement in the past 2,000 years Both, Jesus and Jolt criticized things and both were punished.

[Eric Strange]

Don't know why anyone would argue against new players getting to tournaments.

Quinton/Coon played in a tournament in 2003. I forget which one it actually may have been nationals but not positive. I saw his name in a cross table and everything.