Women's World Freestyle Championship

[Lindus Edwards]

Alex, if you read my message in its entirety you will know that Jan Mortimer is not attempting to mislead anybody. Your allegation is false. If you had read Hugh Devlin's email to Jan Mortimer you would have known that her previous message contained nothing to mislead anybody. But of course you have NOT read it have you? So why make such a statement when, in fact, you are not in possession of the facts?
Alex please, for the sake of sanity, refrain from making spurious comments here.

[Lindus Edwards]

For the purpose of clarity I have been asked to paste the final sentence of Hugh Devlin's email to Jan Mortimer, which leaves no doubt as to its meaning:

"Our conclusion is that Amangul Durdyeva will remain as the Women’s World GAYP Match Champion."

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Lindus, If I can't see the whole contest of email, I can't make any judgement. Hugh statement which you quoted only reflects the fact that Amangul remains the title, but it doesn't say anything about Jan or match fate. It sounds like ... "Alex is 3-moves world champ" which is quite known fact and doesn't mean anything less or more and doesn't affect anyone else.

It will be better to wait an official announcement from H. Devlin and/or WCDF regaring match status.

Some time ago, about couple months, Hoja Durdyev sent me the whole correspondence with all emails and documents, related to this story. Since then I haven't heard anything from him, but from what I've seem it was quite obvious to me - who is a victim and who is a troublemaker in this story.

Regards,

Alex

[kiwinurse]

Alex,Im really sick of the innuendos youve made about me since this saga happened.Bearing in mind you are close friends with Hoja,you will want to take his side,which of course you have,even though youve stated you havent.As a world champion you are meant to rise above this,so we can all look up to you,rather than deride you.There is nothing that i have written that is untrue,and i have only presented the facts as theyve happened. Jan Mortimer

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Jan, most of your posts were emotional. I understand how painful it maybe at time, but saying only 50% true and facts doesn't help much.

I participated in setting 4 matches (2003, 2005, 2007, 2009) and playing yet in two of them (2003, 2005). Each had different conditions.

1. In 2003 it was requested by representatives from National Federations (there were no WCDF at the moment) that each player, challenger and champion, pay for air tickets on their own ... and we did.

2. In 2005 organisers from USA covered Ron King transportation expanses, but he bought ticket on his own. As soon as he arrived to Anderson, SC, match referee and ACF President Alan Millhone paid him the whole sum which he spent and also gave me few bucks for my gas expanses

3. In 2007 Barbados organisers had to buy tickets for me and match referee Alan Millhone and failed to do this which leaded to match cancelation and fortfeiting Ron King challenger privelegies.

4. This year match will be played in USA, which is always being sign of quality. All Ron King expanses will be covered by organisers. I am not involve much in details this time and don't know exactly how they want to pay him - before he arrived or when he will be there. Maybe Richard Beckwith can help us, but I really don't worry. If Ron would ask for tickets - he will get them.

In all 4 cases we always had clearly and simply written contract, usually just 1-2 pages, where we describe all these items. In 2007 I had problems with couple issues and worked with John Reade to fix them: one regarding games property and another one (to the best of my memory) - regarding clocks and 40-moves rule.

Both issues were resolved. But during my negotiations with John I perfectly understood, that if I totally disagree with something which WCDF strongly support, backed and don't compromise, I have only 2 options - accept or quit. I never had an option (and inetention) to appeal to public opinion, because it is my problem, not other people.

From documents which Hoja showed me it is clear that Turkmenistan bid did not include requirements to buy tickets in advance. It was stated that they will cover your expanses when you come here, perhaps trhough receipt.

You decided to challenge this item, but today, when Woman GAYP match is about (or already ?) to be canceled it is clear that Hoja Durdyev was a smart man and saved several hundred or thousand dollars by refusing to pay in advance and losing him money.

WCDF in this particular situation should realize long time before that things are not going smoothly and be more intervented into this. They should prevent direct contact of both sides, and select a moderator person.

In my match with Ron King in 2003 it was John Reade in the beginning and later on final stage - Hugh Devlin.

I also think that WCDF BY-LAWS should have better and more clear definitions and requirements to bids.

Concerning your remark about "friends" ... Yes, we are not friends, but it doesn't affect anything I am writting or supporting here. Hoja came to me previous year, when it was clear that NZ bid is fallen and asked my suggestion. I recommended him immediately work on Turkmenistan bid and submit it by deadline. Later I also helped him with argumentation with WCDF and suggested to be less emotional and more straight and consistent with facts, arguments and wording.

There were nothing personal in my suggestions - I just tried to save match. I can confirm here that if you would come to me with same questions - I would be able to help you. Hoja (and Amangul) never had intention to jeopardize match - I can assure this to everyone on this forum.

Respectfully,

AM

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Ohhh ... almost forget - in my eyes It is still not too late to start over everything with match negotiations. Thats what I would do if I were a challenger and eager wanted to play match and get title. There are 5 months ahead by the end of year.

There is only one way to prove pudding - eat it !

I can't support of Liam idea to set Independent Audit Comission. This means serious giveup on our major games principals, attitude and respect. But if we decide to giveup - we have to go to the higher body, FMJD, where WCDF belongs to, report to and who finally approves and accept all our titles. WCDF is just one out of several Sections in FMJD along with other forms of game.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

There are 5 months ahead

I am appologise for inaccuracy. I already received a storm of emails from several people who corrected me - we have only one month ahead before General Assembly in England, Isle of Wight, September 1-4, 2009 during QT.

One correspondent putted in question necessity and effectivenes of creating a new Commission. He told me that if WCDF makes decision in one way, Commision #1 make decision in other way - whom and why we should trust more ? Or we need to create Commision #2 which validates results of Commisison #1 work ?

Respectfully,

Alex Moiseyev

[liam stephens]

The point of setting up a Tribunal is that it's findings are final and binding on both parties.
There is no court of appeal.

Perhaps one should send for Sir Alan ! - see his record below:

THE APPRENTICE

There was a young man named Kondolo
Who fancied a game with King Rono,
But, Barbados it seemed,
Was just a pipe dream,
And Beijing a definite No! No!

To the rescue along came Sir Alan,
He’s the one who often looks solemn
To Luba he said “your hired”
And to the rest “Your Fired!”
The match, it was held soon anon.

[kiwinurse]

I can only reply by posting the original bid Alex,and let the readers decide whose speaking falsely.This was the bid i accepted months ago,but tried hard to get a date on, before it ran out in May,then it kept changing to other areas.You will note there was a time limit on it,and also the airfare money was promised,as we had promised in the New Zealand bid.In fact it mirrored our bid,and was presented on the last day,for acceptance of our bid.You will note in condition C,on acceptance of this bid,which i accepted,a date was to be set by both parties.That never happened,but not through lack of trying,on my part.




Turkmenistan National Draughts Centre would like to extend an invitation to challenger Jan Mortimer (New Zealand) to come to Turkmenistan to play against current World Champion Amangul Durdyeva (Turkmenistan) for the title of the Women’s World GAYP Champion. Turkmenistan National Draughts Centre is prepared to offer the following:

The offer has a total value of 104370000 in Turkmen manat (USA Dollar $7,350) which may grow with the donations of support that may come in before the match, which would be added to the prize fund. In case of acceptance of our bid (which is not only improved but definitely much better then NZDA bid) our authorities promised to increase the total value of our guaranteed offer.
The offer includes:
Providing a suitable venue (over 5 days) for the match to be played.
Pay up to 37062000 Turkmen manat (USD 2,610) in airfares for Jan Mortimer to come to Turkmenistan.
Accommodation for 7 nights stay for Jan Mortimer and her coach up the value of 10650000 in Turkmen manat (USD 750).at a suitable lodge or house in Balkanabat.
Accommodation for the referee and President of WCDF for 7 nights at a suitable lodge to value of 10650000 in Turkmen manat (USD 750).
Free transport from accommodation to match venue and return.
Free transport to pick up from Ashgabad airport to Balkanabat and return (440 kilometers one side).
Breakfast and evening meal for Jan, her coach, the referee and President of WCDF to the value of 710000 Turkmen manat (USD 50) per day per person.
Prize fund is 18318000 Turkmen manat (USD 1290) which may grow with the donations of support that may come in before the match.
Both participants of the match will be awarded with medals, cups and diplomas totally to the value of 8520000 in Turkmen manat (USD 600).
The referee, coaches and President of WCDF will be awarded with gifts totally to the value of 4260000 in Turkmen manat (USD 300).

Conditions
A) The terms and conditions of this Contract shall be subject to the provisions and interpretation of Turkmenistan law.
B) Must accept the challenge no later than 1 of October, 2008. If not accepted by this date, the offer shall be withdrawn, and then it will be up to the WCDF to set another place of play or forfeit the match in favor of current World Champion Amangul Durdyeva.
C) Upon accepting the challenge, a date to be set by both parties and the WCDF, to be played out, by May next year.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Thanks for information, Jan ! I think I saw this document when Hoja passed it to me along with most recent and better version of bid. I don't see anything visual wrong with this bid and in fact - it is even slight better than the one we have with Ron King this year in USA Medina, Ohio.

That never happened,but not through lack of trying, on my part.

Any prove of this ? As far as I know all you needed - get passport, visa and buy tickets but this never happened.

Pay up to 37062000 Turkmen manat (USD 2,610) in airfares for Jan Mortimer to come to Turkmenistan.

From this text it is stated clear that Turmenistan promised to cover your expanses up to $2,610. But it doesn't indicate specifically the way it will be done - through buying tickets in advance or paying after arrival. I understand this was one of the most controversial issues, correct ?

B) Must accept the challenge no later than 1 of October, 2008. If not accepted by this date, the offer shall be withdrawn, and then it will be up to the WCDF to set another place of play or forfeit the match in favor of current World Champion Amangul Durdyeva.

C) Upon accepting the challenge, a date to be set by both parties and the WCDF, to be played out, by May next year.

I also understand that WCDF selected this bid, it was accepted by you and dates were confirmed. What really stopped everything, you were just inches behind perfect end ?!

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In conclusion I would like to say ... Hoja also stated that there were no any delays or blocking actities on his side. If we accept both statements from you and him, this simply means that you just had "lack of communication" where noone is guilty and evryone is guilty. Just don't like each other. This happened and nothing wrong with this. You don't have to like him and he doesn't have to like you.

But ... WCDF should recongize this and being immedietely, strongly and aggressively involve into this in the beginning of 2009. They should assign mediator person to finish deal or giving a solid conditions to BOTH parties what to do ... accept or quit.

This is my personal opinion how things could be done. This would work indeed only if each opponent really and trully wanted to play match and do evertyhing they can to find a compromise solution.

At the end I want to repeat my question: why you didn't get visa, buy tickets and come to Turkmenistan where they were waiting for you ? I remember around this critical time, January-March, there were several accusition posts on this forum regarding Hoja, WCDF and Turmenistan as state.

Your statements about Turkmenistan as state, it's religious values and regime although partially ruined Hoja efforts, because Turkmenistan government was a major sponsor of event.

There were also statements challenging overall the Turkmenistan bid which still surprise me - I thought it was over since WCDF selected this bid. For good or bad but their decision is final - I learned this well in the past.

AM

[liam stephens]

Dear Jan,


I think it would be wise for you to ignore any comments on your match coming from third parties, as they are not relevant. And you have yet to receive an apology for that April 1st tasteless posting.

The ACF President in a recent posting paid tribute to another courageous lady Irma Sierra, and the excellent article about her appearing in the Checker Maven. You may recall that not so long ago Irma felt compelled to resign from the ACF Forum due to a loutish element that took advantage of an outside site (Kurnik), where there was no sanction, to make misogynistic and offensive remarks.

One wonders why the moderators appear so spineless in such situations and fail to act. I believe they should be much more proactive in defending the rights of the dwindling number of women members.

Fair Lady, we salute you !

“Nil Carborundum Illegitimi” - Vinegar Joe.


Regards - Liam.

[tommyc]

Nothing less will do if he is a man at all.................????

[tommyc]

John .............if hes looking for a cheap shot at someones elses expense and consideriing the serious nature of the situation at that time ,we couldnt care what he is,or who he is , his position doesnt matter if hes "black or white " yellow or green ,im sure you get it by now/..................he has no God given right to do the mean low thing that he done ....and if he had an ounce of shame in him he d try put it right ..............IF HES MAN ENOUGH???




Nothing less will do if he is a man at all.................????

[Alex_Moiseyev]

John, when people don't have anything to say, it is usual tactic to generate smoke - it was done many times in the past when conversation gets close to the point and it's done now - no surprize for me.

But the question remains the same -

why she didn't go to Turkmenistan and play match ?

Instead she is asking for title without play ... thats what is called "fair play" and good model for our young players

HUH !!! My attempt to find a true and improve things failed again. It seems like my worthy opponents don't want to listen any arguments and see facts.

Lets wait WCDF final announcement.

Respectfully,

Alex Moiseyev

[Lindus Edwards]

Alex,
If you had read Jan Mortimer's lengthy message herein this chain you would have understood her numerous reasons for not wishing to go to Turkmenistan. Jan asked the WCDF a number of highly important questions that were never answered. As an example, Jan asked if it was legal to take the manat out of Turkmenistan, which is a perfectly reasonable question. The WCDF failed to answer this and many other extremely important questions. How then, in such circumstances, could one expect Jan to simply pack her bags and make her way to a country on the other side of the planet? Is that what you expected her to do?
It is noted, Alex, that almost all of your posts in this chain contain vitriolic words. Why use such acerbic terms?
I also note that you appear to be waiting for an official reply from the WCDF on this forum. One might as well wait for the rains to fall........................

"Nothing less will do if he is a man at all.................????"

[liam stephens]

Well said Lindus. I fully agree.

BTW the rain stopped play at Edgebaston yesterday !



Nothing less will do if he is a man at all.................????