The True Face of your future ACF President and Vice Pres.

[waynegober]

It would be nice if the rest of the conversation had been posted.

The part where I said it was worth it though, because we reap such players as Clint Olsen, Clayton Nash, John Post, Jonathon McDonald, Jon Chappel, Ryan Pronk, Joe Moore, Dustin Belcher and a bunch more really nice young men and I hope for some young ladies to join the checker fraternity.
I look to this type of young people for the bright ACF future we all want. If I left you off the list, and you are one of my young serious, well mannered friends, please know I just forgot.

Not too bad a conversation considering all the ones you evidently sat through to try and find something.

The unscientifc word was a slip of the pen, but the biased was not and remains the truth.

Sorry you are so stirred up Josh, but I continue to oppose the abuse,

Wayne Gober

[Palomino]

Wayne wrote:

...we reap such players as Clint Olsen, Clayton Nash, John Post, Jonathon McDonald, Jon Chappel, Ryan Pronk, Joe Moore, Dustin Belcher and a bunch more really nice young men and I hope for some young ladies to join the checker fraternity.

Couldn't agree more with what you said there Wayne.

Wayne continued:

I look to this type of young people for the bright ACF future we all want. If I left you off the list, and you are one of my young serious, well mannered friends, please know I just forgot.

Wayne, when compiling lists it seems we all are prone to leaving off a few deserving names.

A couple of names that come to my mind and that I believe deserve to be on that list are John Acker and Bobby Loewen.

Can anyone name someone younger that John Acker that has stepped up to the plate, worked so hard to organize a national tourney and followed it through to completion as John did last year, I don't think so and also I'm not forgetting the contributions John has made towards the reissuance of books and more. I look at John Acker as a real asset to the ACF.

I also note how Bobby Loewen, who is a newcomer, has jumped in with both feet and is now organizing a state tourney. Bobby will be a real asset also, I'm sure of that.

The ACF can not have too many young men or women like the ones we have mentioned above.

Regards..."Pal"

[waynegober]

Pal,

You are most certainly right !
With a better memory, I could have been a better player.
If you think of more deserving names to recognize, please don't hesitate.

Best Regards,
Wayne

[waynegober]

Yet he has recently been outcasted by members of the ACF including John and Goober

I don't recall ever mentioning Eric's name in any post?

I certainly haven't outcast anyone in particular other than Chee and rude people and thugs.

Do you know anyone who meets that criteria? Those are the ones I want shut down. Chee has earned that mention and you seem to be wanting too? I have explained to you that Gober is spelled with one O a couple of times. You continue to attack me on this site and on other sites. Have I mentioned you in any of my previous posts? (other than when you addressed me first)

Now I wonder in your case. Are you an ACF memeber?

Respectfully waiting for the moderators, Alan?
Wayne Gober

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Yeaaa ... Chee is a good one Couple times he even got me, and yet - only my wife knew how to do this !

Even though I hate this list, but as I said - I don't take it too serious. I also really don't beleive that Chee is the only enemy and target for ACF. I think we have more serious and important things on agenda.

Just thoughts ...

Average world champion

[waynegober]

I also really don't beleive that Chee is the only enemy and target for ACF. I think we have more serious and important things on agenda.

Champ since we agree there are more targets and enemies for the ACF and the Chee is not the only one, let us not move on until we take care of this one, though he be of little significance.

Then we can move on to the bigger problems. So what will it take maybe 30 secs to get rid of the list and another 30 secs to get rid of Chee..... then on to more drastic problems.

I appreciate you realizing the dangerous nature of Chee and am in complete agreement that he is an enemy of the ACF.

Patiently waiting,
Wayne Gober

[Danny_Alvarez]

Josh and friends this is why people are insulted because you guys aren't even pretending to hide your stupidity and your total lack of respect for others, keep going with your childish ways...
keep thinking you are entitled to things.... other's time and other's respect.... and the right to call yourself a grandmaster....
ALL THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE EARNED ... you aren't entitled to squat until you earn it...
i guess working towards something and earning things is not something you and your friends will understand...

"he who doesn't respect himself, cannot respect others"
i have attached a pic from Eric's forum and website and it is Mr Chee being his usual self... not that the rest of them are any better...

You're talking about people that get hard ons talking about a OH vs PA match.

by saying this he is showing a total lack of respect for everyone.... but specially for those involved in that thread...

cheers
Danny Alvarez

[Danny_Alvarez]

. I also really don't beleive that Chee is the only enemy and target for ACF. I think we have more serious and important things on agenda.

Just thoughts ...

I agree wholeheartedly Mister Moiseyev.... i also agree wholeheartedly with this that was posted on another thread ....

I would have expected Moiseyev as world champion to be promoting draughts but it seems hes holding the "poisoned chalice" right now and has no support even amongst decent players for many reasons EVEN on this forum.

In fact hes bringing the game into disrepute and its time he has realised the OFFICE that he holds and the way he is expected to act. I hope he pulls back from the brink before its too late and the honorable POSITION of World champion is once again a thing to be looked up to.

You see Mister Moiseyev, we can only expect stupid, petulant, childish, adolescent behaviour from stupid, petulant, post-adolescent children(they aren't children chronologically, but they are in mental age) that are nobodies ....
but you Sir you are not a nobody.... and you acting the same as trolls, idiots etc etc accusing good members of the checkers fraternity of all manner of things, trash talking as if you were 15 years old and just chastising anybody that disagrees with your point of view....NOW THAT IS SOMETHING REALLY SERIOUS...

Like Tommy said maybe you will reconsider and make the position of world champion someone we all look up to...

JUST THOUGHTS CHAMP ...

Regards
Danny Alvarez

[Alex_Moiseyev]

What has someone like Danny Alvarez done for checkers other than spam the ACF forum

Chee, this is very good question, but you don't have a moral rights to ask it, because both of you are just phantom online creature who was never seemed by any real person.

BTW. Thanks for your game database. Can you do me a favor and remove my and Wayne Goober names from your list ? It little bit disturb both of us. It will be actually better if you remove the whole list. It's not accurate because it's not based on REAL professional competition ... either online or offline. Fun games cannot be a source.

Be tolerant to Danny, he is not as intelligent as you are but it's not his fault.

[Dennis Cayton]

I'm an enemy of the game and the ACF? Funny stuff.

I've done more for the game than most of the guys running their mouths here would ever do.

1. I set up the legendary matches between the warrior Max and Alfredo Mercado, both potential world champions (Fredo was acknowledged by Alex M. as having more potential to be a 3 move world champion than someone like Lubalo Kondlo). Both are ranked among the top 5 internet players ever and can potentially beat anyone in the world. Do you know who Sergio Scarpetta is? Ranked 7th in the world offline, two times Italian champion, sparring partner of world title contender Michelle Borghetti. He is one of the few men who can stand up to these two.

2. Manager and trainer of many Kurnik champions. Trained Mag, current Brazilian champion. I have also served as referee and commentator for Kurnik since 2006.

3. Archived a 66,000 games database of the top players in Kurnik since 2006. Note, only two offline players has been successful at the top level in Kurnik in the history of Kurnik, grandmasters Alex M. and Shane McCosker.

4. Animated in the Russian program Aurora the most complete 3 move book ever assembled that can be viewed in real time or in PDN, drawing from Nemesis corrections, Kingsrow analysis, Alex M. analysis, Solid Checkers with additions from BC, Kears, Lee's guide, ABC etc., Kurnik plays, 21st century 9-13s, the golden dozen and key landings all in one book database (haven't got time to nerd up and study though). I actually had a Gober analysis on Ryan's cross but I said nah, this guy can't be in my database and updated it with a Kingsrow improved play last night. Old shot where I gave credit to Gober because too lazy to look up W. Ryan's analysis:



5. Known as one of the most fearless men ever to have played checkers online, only the likes of Fredo, Juan and the game has been comparable. I back down from no one and am not afraid to lose. I'm lord Chee.

6. Working with the OCF to help fund internet checkers legend Ray to attend the OH state tournament this year. It's funny how Danny insulted Sergio (iproitmaster) and Ray (lsdbrutality), two of the best players in the world. He also called us nobodies, coming from a guy that is 1100 in Kurnik.

What has someone like Danny Alvarez done for checkers other than spam the ACF forum and lose in Kurnik?

To Mr. Chee Ziong:

You have provided a most prolific list of accomplishments and claims above.

Unfortunately, you are missing one thing:

Class.

Very Sincerely,

Dennis Cayton

[Danny_Alvarez]

If what Chee posted was a fun list, why do you ask for your name to be removed? That’s a contradiction in itself.Are you back to befriending these pack of rude morons because they have incriminating evidence on you, as Steven and Eric claimed??? Is that it?? they threaten you and now have you by the short and curlies???

Dear Jan: I was very saddened by the false and horrific statements and accusations that Alex Moiseyev made against you and your character. In my opinion, they are outright libelous.

Just when I was thinking that he may finally be learning to practice some human civility, he has proven me wrong.

In view of his chronic habit of personal attack and verbal abuse, including his most recent statements expressed in this topic thread, I am personally embarrassed and ashamed that Alex Moiseyev is the World 3-Move Champion, as recognized by the American Checker Federation.

It is a real shame to have a trash-talking, women bashing, rude and intolerant champion that keeps company with obnoxious ignorant idiots who delight in belittling others and being crass at every single opportunity, after which the aforementioned champion runs in their defense and viceversa.

Be tolerant to Danny, he is not as intelligent as you are but it's not his fault.

How dare you question my intelligence when you behave like a moron, you big russian baboon??
Intelligence is shown in actions.... you might be really smart at checkers but your social skills are terribly lacking in every respect. So in that sense compared to you and Chee and the rest of your friends I'm a damn genius!!!!

Keep trash talking....
Keep Insulting others...
Keep hiding behind supposed humour to throw barbs at others...
Keep befriending morons...
Keep being rude...
Keep bringing shame to the office of champion and to ACF in general...
I do not think you will ever learn & you are leaving a terrific legacy behind... Good on ya!!!

Cheers to you champ
Danny Alvarez

[Chexhero]

Chee, you have many great accomplishments, but mostly all of them from what I see are Internet ones. Not taking anything away from you but unfortunetly, most ACF players don't care about them. Your program is an exception. But to be brutaly honest, they are sick of hearing you brag about the top Internet players and how they can beat Alex. They hate your list. Internet players love it and it should be shared with them only. You arent going to win friends here by bragging about the top Internet players beating Alex. No one will believe anything until they prove themselves in real tourneys. Online they are great players and I am one who believes they would do well in tourneys, even yourself, but it is one of those things that needs to be proven considering the differences between online and offline. You are trying to get Ray to come to Ohio, which is great. I am assuming he is not one of the Internet jerks. The post was a good one and no one complained about it, it promoted checkers. But bragging about Internet players accomplishments doesn't seem to be working. Anyone who has played at Kurnik knows the talent of the top players, whether they deny it or not, I think the bigger issue people have including myself is the attitude and nature that the kurnik players have. It is one of the reasons I am hesitant to come back to kurnik. Sometimes I just rather play my programs because they don't complain about how long I take to move. I understand you want to promote Internet checkers and get ACF players to come online. But bad attitudes and degrading of people, especially ACF players won't get as many people to come or stay. Yes, some ACF playershave been jerks to, but if you want Internet checkers to explode and achieve your goals, there is a certain responsiblity you will have to take.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

When Alex said that me and Eric would most likely be placed below 10th in masters at nationals, I didn't cry.... if I go, I would just prove him wrong.

I wish I am wrong. But all my experience says and suggests otherwise In other hands - I am not saying that ANY online player could be placed below 10th. I think Ray, Jolt and Fredo will be very competitive in Master Division but still - don't go above top 4-6. They more likely shoudl finish around 50% points or slightly above on first attempt.

My opinion can be change if you and Eric improve.

Look at Nick performance in Medina ... I can't recall that his level in GAYP is far below than yours and Eric, but first attempt for him was extremely painful. I am glad Joe Moore decided to follow my advice. When I suggested him to try Major first, I had little doubts that should do it well. But it was important step for him which shouldn't be missed.

Revolutions don't come without conflicts.

The famous "Revolution Theory" which I studied in college on "Scientific Communism" course, stands that there are 3 criterias should be meet for successful revolution:

1. Top managers can't run the government in new way.
2. People at the bottom can't live in old way.
3. Special situation and circumstancies.

Often enough first two criterias are met, but no revolution happened because of 3rd criteria faulty.

Alex, the titles will be removed as requested and available only in the chee blog.

Many thanks, Chee ! it is important for me, Wayne and I beleive many others.

Jerks are coming and leaving but checkers alive ! Don't be disappointed with some posts. I really hope when main life problems will be successfully resolve for you, one day you'll be showup at ACF event.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

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List is still there

[n1ck]

Starting value of that line was +80 (Red Adv) for you Chee

Going 3-1 is an insult to your skill on a position like that