2009 ACF G.A.Y.P. Nationals in Lebanon,TN.

Jay Bailey · Post by **Jay Bailey** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:33 am

JR Smith wrote:You guys are toooo much! You can tell a man's age by how he: "wish, look, talk, play checkers" What would the world be like if there were no women and no checkers?

As for the checkers, I'm sure we'd find another game. Plus, the lack of incessant nagging would surely make up for the loss of checkers. Of course, without either, we'd never realize we lost them. Interesting question, indeed.

Alex_Moiseyev · Post by **Alex_Moiseyev** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:14 pm

In the past few days I had received ACF Bulletin and MCA Newsletter. USA GAYP 2009 National format was covered in both sources and same questions arised.

Format:

13 2-games rounds.

Monday, Aug 3, Rd. 1-2: 1-4 PM, 5-8 PM
Tuesday, Aug 4, Rd. 3-5: 9-12 AM, 1-4 PM, 5-8 PM
Wednesday, Aug 4, Rd. 6-8: 9-12 AM, 1-4 PM, 5-8 PM
Thursday, Aug 5, Rd. 9-11: 9-12 AM, 1-4 PM, 5-8 PM
Friday, Aug 6, Rd. 12-13: 9-12 AM, 1:30 - 4:30 PM

WOW !

Questions:

1) I read several times both articles and didn't find any place to mention - is that Robin Round or Swiss system ?

2) Does ACF have doctors on duties with such "compress schedule" ? What really prohibit usage of Saturday as we had in the past ???

3) For many years in the past and to the rest of my life I told you folks and telling you again:

it is ver bad practice allowing players who is not qualify, to play in higher division !

Regards,

Alex Moiseyev

tommyc · Post by **tommyc** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:18 am

I agree completely WITH Alex............in fact this is what i said prior to Beijing !!

Alex_Moiseyev · Post by **Alex_Moiseyev** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:20 pm

John, 3 hours are giving to 2 players for 2 games, which means - each player has 45 minutes for 1 game. Do you think it is too much for minors and majors ?

But you right - this system force players, including masters, to play by using "take it easy" method ...

Regards,

Alex

rich beckwith · Post by **rich beckwith** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:23 pm

A few thoughts......

Swiss system is the default, especially if there are 20+ in a division. However, Round-robin becomes an option (and probably a better one) if there are exactly 14 players in a division (or 13 players and a bye).

Saturday was not used in the last two GAYP Nationals (and sometimes not for three-move either due to high playing room costs for the extra day, although this is probably not an issue for Lebanon). I'm not sure I understand the "compressed schedule" comment. There are never more than 6 games per day of GAYP for any division. The 3-move Nationals midweek have 6 games per day for masters (at 3-move style no less), and 8 games per day for the other divisions. I don't recall problems in 2007 with this 13-round format (but someone may wish to share such experience?). I think many people enjoyed playing more different players and being able to score by game. Or...maybe the point is that rounds should be 3.5 hours per round?

With diminishing entries per division, I must admit that we are seeing more of an issue now (especially with Swiss format) of "people playing up a division who don't belong," than in the Les Balderson era, from where the guidelines were pulled. Another issue is how to accurately enforce this with no ACF ratings processor available for updated ratings, as we had in the past (although WCDF ratings can shed some light).

Alan Millhone · Post by **Alan Millhone** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:38 pm

Dear Mr. Alex:

In the forum topic : GAYP WTQ you state that GAYP is , " too boring childish style " for your liking. Will you be at Lebanon for the ACF Nationals ? You seem to have a lot of opinions for a style you do not like nor support ?

There are MANY players who love and support GAYP. Lebanon will have a very large turn out this August, with or without your endorsement.

Sincerely:
Alan Millhone, President
American Checker Federation

Alex_Moiseyev · Post by **Alex_Moiseyev** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:08 pm

Hi, Alan ! With all my anti-love and hateness to this style, I am very fortunate to be two times winner of USA GAYP National (1999, 2003) and one time runner up (2001). It is very possible that I will be in Lebanon this year for one simple reason - financial deal. In the past decade statistic talks itself - turnout of tournaments which I attend, jumps up and my endorsement makes difference ! People are coming to see myself and my play because even today when everything dropped in checkers, there are still alot of game fans who respect the game and champions.

I also like that Gene Lindsay dream to hold National in TN became a reality and I am highly appreciate Mr. & Mrs Davis efforts.

For many years I consistantly trying to help improve things in ACF, make it more professional and survive - in modern era - this is my responsibility as Champion. Sometimes ACF accepts my help, sometimes rejects like now ... so be it !

Level of play and number of players is dropping in ACF, and with all respect to our history and heritage, maybe we just keep one small corner which still connect us to the past - high level of Master Division. Unfortunately, I can see that we are destroying this connection from year to year and getting close to "street level".

Regards,

Alex Moiseyev

john reade · Post by **john reade** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:34 am

We have the opposite problem in England. Strong players playing in the lower sections to win the prize money.

Alex_Moiseyev · Post by **Alex_Moiseyev** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:44 am

john reade wrote:We have the opposite problem in England. Strong players playing in the lower sections to win the prize money.

John, the problem can be easy resolve, if you minimize or eliminate prizes in low divisions ... which actually makes alot of sense for me.

In this case there will not be any motivation and stimuls for strong players stay away of high Division ... if they are qualify.

Regards,

Alex

Alex_Moiseyev · Post by **Alex_Moiseyev** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:44 am

tommyc · Post by **tommyc** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:21 pm

As usually, I am trapped again with my vacation, upcoming 3-moves WCM and other businesses. In addition, this year it will be GAYP event and I don't haver much interest to it. I wish Mr. & Mrs. Davis keep their bid for the next year National

Good luck to everyone and have a good time in Lebanon.

Regards,

Alex

ALex you speak with forked tongue???

You said yu wasnt going now .............you are or are you not......??? Make you mind up time,but i agree as i said weaker players should not in the higher division ,(whether you go or not Alex)look what happened in Beijing??...but not even champions cannot call the shots thats for the organisers and i dont see where you objected in China to weak players..........double standards or what, i may ask>>??

Alex_Moiseyev · Post by **Alex_Moiseyev** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:13 pm

tommyc wrote:ALex you speak with forked tongue???

You said yu wasnt going now .............you are or are you not......??? Make you mind up time

Tommy, I am trapped in many ways

Neither me nor anyone else can tell you - I am coming or not! I wish I can support Frank and Mary efforts, they do fantstic job, althought there is a good chance to win first price - $3,200. In other hands - this childish style is so-o-o-o boting and vacation is small

Alan Millhone · Post by **Alan Millhone** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:58 pm

Dear Mr. Alex:

" This childish style " is NOT the way to promote Checkers/Draughts to our youth or anyone for that matter. You state you don't like GAYP, yet you might come and take the prize money and trophy !

Our game (as you know) has enough of a problem attracting new players without making remarks to discourage anyone. Yo uand Ron King as World Champions should set the standard and set the proper example in all you say and do . Likely I will play in the Masters, I love the competition and the extra tough games. Also without encouraging young players (like my 10 and 12 year old grandsons) to come and compete there will one day be no Masters !

Sincerely:
Alan Millhone, President
American Checker Federation

Alex_Moiseyev · Post by **Alex_Moiseyev** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:42 am

Alan, I always am very honest with other players and game fans. If I beleive that this is an obsolete, childish style - it is my responsibility to share my thoughts and vision with other people and put them onto right directions and truck.

Promoting the game (3-move style) is something else rather than saying something polite and nice.

GAYP was abonded in USA and Europe for many decades until old masters passed away and published play was well forgotten. Nothing really new was discovered in GAYP since Kears Encyclopedia was published - somewhat more than 80 years ago !

3- and 4-moves restrictions along with 11 man ballot is trully a checkers future ... maybe mix styles.

Saying "childish" is very polite on my end. Some strong players told me that they hate GAYP

because it limits and breaks their imagination !

Regards,

Alex

john reade · Post by **john reade** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:22 am

Alex,

If the top section is the only one with prizes then of course everyone wants to play in that section.

John.

The American Checker Federation

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