WMSG Lille 2012

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++++++++++Newsflash++++++++++++++++++++++

WMSG, Lille

Results and tables after round one:

Men:

http://www.chessarbiter.com/turnieje_wa ... 12/f_3187/

Women:

http://www.chessarbiter.com/turnieje_wa ... 12/f_3188/

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I was pretty close with my last prediction of how the Americans would finish last time with the only thing not accounted for was tie-breaker points.

The competition is a little different this year with having six super strong players and 6 players with not enough PP knowledge or crossboard strength to contend.

Personally I want the Americans to take the top 3 of five positions but with Italy's two super strong players it will be difficult. I would like to see Charles Freeman win it since he came so close the last time he played. Dr. Beckwith and Jim have already won it so you have to say they are good contenders too. And of course Ron King is a champion of champions. Hopefully Charles will rebound from his first round performance as he did the last time.

Good luck to all!! Especially the Americans and Ingo.
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Michael Holmes wrote:And of course Ron King is a champion of champions.
In 3 moves he is QT champion when I don't play :D

But I agree with you that he will be among top finishers in Lille. I also join with Michael backing American players and hope James Morrison and Charles Freeman will recover soon from their losses in 1st round.
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Prediction - Ron King will not win ALL games :D (ha-ha) but at least 50% (9) or more - for sure.
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I think what will determine who will win will be the number of losses Ron has! I predict he will have two. Any less and he should win the tournament. At the end of this round he will have set the pace and it will take the rest of the tournament for others to catch up. My good friend Charles will need another four rounds just to catch up to him. I am confident that will happen. I am also a little leary of the two Italians too. I havent played either but I witnessed the strength of one of them in the last QT I played in. A very impressive win.

Good news. My son wants to start playing in these tournaments. If we can ever talk his mother into getting him a passport then both of us will travel Europe playing in Draughts tournaments.
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Michael Holmes wrote:the number of losses Ron has! I predict he will have two.
He may probably being in loss in 2-3 games, but really lose less than that. And again ... even if he lose couple games, number of his wins can cover everything. Tempo is very hot.

If Richard, Michele, Sergio or anyone else want to catch Ron, they have to start it now and ... yes, probably beating face-to-face is still necessary.

I am betting now for Rich and wish best to Jim and Charles. Both Charles and Jim are strong players but have low practice in real events. 40-50 annual games is an absolute minimum in my eyes.

Lets wait and see ...

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I am really surprised Charles only got 2 points from his last round. That is a shocker. However, Dr. B. and Jim are on target with 50% chance to make things more even in this third round. I know Charles is more a slower pace player (meaning very study and not too aggressive) he will begin to make his move in the third round and should be near the top by the sixth round. Luckily, this a nine round tournament rather than a seven round tournament. Good Luck Chuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dr. B. may give Ron his first derailment. I hope so anyway.
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Michael Holmes wrote:Dr. B. may give Ron his first derailment.
Yup !!!!!!
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Michael Holmes wrote:I am really surprised Charles only got 2 points from his last round. That is a shocker. However, Dr. B. and Jim are on target with 50% chance to make things more even in this third round. I know Charles is more a slower pace player (meaning very study and not too aggressive) he will begin to make his move in the third round and should be near the top by the sixth round. Luckily, this a nine round tournament rather than a seven round tournament. Good Luck Chuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dr. B. may give Ron his first derailment. I hope so anyway.
He drew the cross opening I guess his opponent had the nesserary pp knowledge
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John I dont think so a lot events in Europe are gonna work like that with 2 games per round in 3 move. In my opinion its a good test as I always believe you shoudl master GAYP first before moving to 3 move unless your a genious. Most grandmasters would still beat i.e. the crap out of a IM in some GAYP openings.

Pairing in 3rd round is very interesting King vs Borghetti... would love to see that one live. A tournament key match if the opening is an interesting one.
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There are too many openings that could be argued as GAYP so I dont think that should ever be brought to the table John. And, GAYP openings certainly do change the performance of what you would expect if two very different level of players are playing against each other with a hard opening.

Creative players such as Ron excel in any opening which gives him an even bigger advantage if a GAYP is played in these 3-move openings. I am glad to see Jim and Dr. B. doing really good so far. And, I havent given up on Charles as he has not shown his might just yet. Trust me, by the end of the sixth round he should be in the top five even with the to Grandmasters from Italy there.
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GAYP openings is part of 3-moves deck, why they should be excluded ? Some people like even openings, other like critical, some like openings with big scope, other - with limited scope.

Thats all is part of 3 moves and you must good at all 156 openings, not 155 or 95 :D What the prolem with Cross ? Yes, it is even opening but with huge scope and opportunity to vary. I beated J. Morrision and Hallett in this opening.

In my eyes most interesting pairing tomorrow - Beckwith vs Kareta :idea: Richard has a real chance to catch Ron. Jim also may get 3 points iwith Sergio if they select Ctoss :D :D :D
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I agree with Alex. I think all three Americans will put up big scores in round three. It is only a matter of time before the pace slows down at the top giving those in the middle a short window of opportunity to catch up. Those critical rounds, rounds 4 and 5, will give a clearer picture to the top six by the end of round 7 we should know who the top 3 will be. Charles is the unknown here that can change eveything at the last moment. A win for him against the either Italian may change the difficulty that Ron is expected to see for the next few rounds.

Good luck Chuck, Dr. B., and Jim.
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Ron King lost both games in round three against Michele Borghetti, while Amangul took the sole lead in the Women`s , as Nadiya had to allow a draw to her opponent.

Richard won a game against Filip and drew the other, while Sergio beat Jim on a very fine shot in game one and drew game.


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Wow beating Ron in 2 games quite an achievement... Ingo what were openings in those matches? Any hard deck which would explain this score with King -Borghetti?

Quite like Michael mention 4th and 5th has interesting pairings. Ron needs to beat Kareta at the best two to catch up and Borghetti vs Beckwith. If you look at Borghettis scoring card quite impressive if you look at the opponents he played. Not really an easy opponent as even Martynov is always good for an suprise. We will see how he goes against nominal weaker opponents in later rounds.
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