Match Cake - Kingsrow

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Krzysztof Grzelak
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Match Cake - Kingsrow

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Match CAKE - KINGSROW (3-move ballots)

Cake 1.89f vs. Kingsrow 1.19e 0 wins, 0 losses, 288 draws

Cake 1.89f x64 - Martin Fierz

GUI = CheckerBoard 1.77
Opening Book = Best moves - book.bin
Hashtable = 1024 MB
Allscores = Off
Endgames DB = 4096 MB
Database = WLD - WLD - 10 pieces ( base Kingsrow )
Time = 2 seconds to move

Kingsrow 1.19e x64 - Edgar Gilbert

GUI = CheckerBoard 1.77
Opening Book = Best moves - kingsrow.odb
Hashtable = 1024 MB
Endgames DB = 4096 MB
Allscores = Off
Solve Mode = Off
Database = WLD and DTW - WLD - 10 pieces and DTW - 8 pieces
Threads = 12
Time = 2 seconds to move

Match played on a computer with the equipment:

- processor - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X 3.4GHz
- hard drive - Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 SSD 2 TB
- memory ram - Kingston HyperX Fury 128 GB DDR4 2400MHz CL15
- monitor - Nec MultiSync EA245WMi
- keyboard - A4Tech KV-300H Slim
- mouse - Razer DeathAdder Essential
- operating system - Microsoft Windows 10 Professional 64 bit PL
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Re: Match Cake - Kingsrow

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For some reason I am just now seeing these fascinating results!

How were the ballots chosen?

And can you draw any conclusions from this match?

Interesting questions might be (more like speculations), depending on how the ballots were chosen, would using only the "hardest" ballots perhaps have changed the results? Or would play at a longer time limit? Or without opening books?

One thing I think we can say is that in pure tournament style play these engines are probably both unbeatable by human players.
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Re: Match Cake - Kingsrow

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak »

chipschap wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:48 pm For some reason I am just now seeing these fascinating results!

How were the ballots chosen?

And can you draw any conclusions from this match?

Interesting questions might be (more like speculations), depending on how the ballots were chosen, would using only the "hardest" ballots perhaps have changed the results? Or would play at a longer time limit? Or without opening books?

One thing I think we can say is that in pure tournament style play these engines are probably both unbeatable by human players.
Played in 3-move ballots. I think that if I would play without the opening book, the result could be similar. Much more difficult to program are 11-move ballots.
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