WCDF RATINGS

[shinzen]

Dear Alex,
Ratings method are more, we use Glicko, it is better Elo system. In Glicko calculate each!!! game. If You played sample match with 20 games, calculated all, no only one result. Yes we mix GAYP and 3move, but, who want two ratings? Next, to WCDF Rating no calculated all US Tournaments, we have minimal time limit. Because never WCDF Rating equal ACF, EDA, etc. Ratings. Your notice for Your and King Rating is true. For Actual Rating, What do You think, who must be out from top ten with no US players? Please name . Notice, Mr. Kondlo had calculated 2 Tournaments, sumary 36 games.
Best Regards,
Igor Keder

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Igor, privet ! Thanks for explanations. Something is more clear for me now.

In Glicko calculate each!!! game.

Yes, we already learned this and learned that this is wrong. I am very straight and solid with this message and opinion.

Yes we mix GAYP and 3move, but, who want two ratings?

Yes, nobody wants two rating lists, true ! So what ? In my opinion this is very weak excuse. Instead one short normal rating list we have a monster-like-hibride with less sense and useless information.

Next, to WCDF Rating no calculated all US Tournaments, we have minimal time limit.

No comments !

Your notice for Your and King Rating is true.

I wish you say - I am wrong ! This simply means existing system motivate me to play in less number of evenets and be much more selective ! Ha-Ha Thanks for advice. As I said - this fact doesn't have any influence on my activity, but for some players with weaker nervous system it maybe a problem.

For Actual Rating, What do You think, who must be out from top ten with no US players? Please name .

It's easy as 1-2-3 ! I put all candidates in alphabetic order to prevent new storm and questions ! Here is my version and vision of top 10 none USA players:

1. Leroy Adams (Canada)
2. Rawle Allicock (England)
3. Hugh Devlin (Ireland)
4. William Docherty (Scotland)
5. Bagtiyar Durdyev (Turkmenistan)
6. Mustafa Durdyev (Turkmenistan)
7. Ron King (Barbados)
8. Shane McCoskey (Ireland)
9. Earl Morrison (Canada)
10. Tom Watson (Scotland)

I didn't include on this list Lubabalo Kodlo from WCDF due to un-sufficient information. There are several other players from UK, Ireland, Wales, Barbados who is very close to be included, it was really hard to make a choice. Jimmy Grant, Lindus Edwards, Jack Francis and some other are very close to this zone. They also have a proper rating I believe.

Igor, I think existing WCDF rating list reflects this situation with "non USA" players close enough to reality and is matching to my ranking list. So - it is not a problem.

The real problem is - American players "underrated" which bring a chaos to the whole picture. Why this happened ? Because of counting each game. So - we know the problem, we know the answer and there is nothing unclear to me in this situation.

I believe that "rating processors" must show some respect to National directors and organizers and if they (directors) counted points as "winner-take-all" or other way for some events, rating processors should do the same.

Sincerely,

Alex

[tommyc]

Normal rating system should motivate people to play in more events. If effect is opposite - something wrong with system.says Alex.......................

In my opinion the ratings system DOES NOT MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO PLAY MORE EVENTS IN FACT IT DOES THE OPPOSITE!! .As you know Alex has stated many times that unless he wins every game of every Ty he plays his rating may go backwards,while those who play alot less Tys(OR ONLY CERTAIN TYS) and do well their rating will go up.!!??

[liam stephens]

Hi Tommy,

Funny thing is, when the WCDF ratings were delayed the critics were clamouring for their publication.
Now that they have arrived, they want to shoot the messenger.

Poor Igor – that oft repeated saying by the Russian impresario Diaghilev seems truly apt:

“Our little Igor now requires police escorts ………like a prize fighter.”

In an earlier posting Alex identified the problem as being on the ACF rating list and not the WCDF list.
See below:

QUOTE:

ACF ratings
./viewtopic.php?p=6544 - p6544./viewtopic.php?p=6544 - p6544by Alex_Moiseyev on Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:24 pm

Before 2007 my ACF rating was 2683. The only tournament I played so far was TN State Open ty, where I won all 8 rounds (at least one game against each opponent), in total - 10 wins from 16 games.

Guess what is my new rating ? 2682 !!!

This is amazing. The system considered my result as average and "expected" for my rating and if I want to improve my rating, I have to do something more.

However, It seems to me more likely that the rating of American players is seriously underrated. I am wondering now - how many points I lost in Marion ?

Alex

Also if you scroll down a little further on that page there is a message to Patrick Parker on the subject. However, that post is now truncated.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

I criticized both rating systems: ACF and WCDf, but for different reasons
Each rating system has weaknesses in calculations.

In addition, I also criticized them both for the same reason: not accurate time delivery.

Alex

[Jay H]

Hello Everyone

To me ratings are a 'guideline' for placement. I note that #18 on the list " Kevin Burks " at 2308 might enjoy the Masters group the next ACF Tournament he enters -)

Also let me qualify something ---- The ACF ratings are not history, but on the back burner at present. I will say openly that Dr. Beckwith has far too much on his plate to even consider handling the ratings in any fashion. The ACF needs more volunteers to help carry the load. Too few do too much in the ACF. Simply put, but the way it is and it needs to change. If you have expertise in ratings and a desire to help, then let us know !

An ELO system has been mentioned as well.

Sincerely
Alan Millhone, President
American Checker Federation
" PROUD TO BE AN A.C.F. MEMBER '

EMPHASIS ADDED BY JAY H
Greetings Alan,
I have a desire to serve the game.....I have given up on the notion that I will ever be a grandmaster at playing the game, but I still respect the game, and the expert players, now as much as I ever did. (In fact, even more so)
Although I have no experience with the rating system, I am of (at least what I believe to be) average intelligence, and would be capable of learning the system, if given some guidance.
So, with this post, I will go on the public record as stating that if given proper instruction, and of course the opportunity, I would consider it an honor and a privilege to serve the Checkers playing community in any way. If at the time, it would be as the ratings processor, so be it......as it seems that more than anything else, the time and effort is the determing factor in these ratings being promulgated at regular intervals.
Time and effort I have.....and would give it freely to the game.

With all of my sincerest regards,
I am

Jay Hinners h i t z

[tommyc]

GOOD ON YA JAY!!.................