Results from china

[Patrick Parker]

are there any

[Ingo_Zachos]

are there any

lol.
The World Mind Sport Games (WMSG) are scheduled in October after the Olympics (August) and Paralymics (September),
so be patient.


http://www.fmjd.org/?p=beijing2008

for more Information.

Another question which I would kike to ask is:

Who do you predict to win the Medals at the WMSG?

The first three of the Wolrd Ranking, Ron King, Alex Moiseyev and Wiliam Dockerty r nominated as well as GM's Mustafa and Baghtiyar Durdyev, Hugh Devlin, Jim Morrison and Jack Francis.
Also IM's Richard Beckwith, Rawle Allicock, Dave Harwood, Shane McCosker, Carson Farley, Garett Owen, Myles Hannigan, Prahat Durdyev, Igor Keder and the World Champion Amangul Durdyeva as well as former Wolrd Champion Patricia Breen.
Also Nikolay Abatsiev ( a former opponent of the mighty Tinsley) from Russia is known as a very strong player as well as Michail Shabshai from Israel who won the CEMSO at Prague in 2003 with ease.
The Czechs have nominated theior youg talents Filip Kareta and Tomas Novotny, and the Germans have nominated their best players, Dennis Pawlwek, Igor Martynov and me.

Looks like a mighty strong event, with lots of new faces from South Africa, Latvia, Usbekistan, Thailand, Mongolia, Italy, Lithuania, New Zealand and Uganada nominated, who can also be rated as masters in some cases.

So what do you think/ predict ?

As for myself, I am expected to finish at the bottom, giving my very strong disliking of 3-move Checkers (in chess no-one would accept to have his first moves balloted. still looks like an aassult on the game to me) and my bad chances for practice.
I expect my German team mates to finish higher, due to their greater talent and because their preparation is likely to be better.

Alex Moiseyev is my favorite for Gold, but William Docherty, the Durdyev brothers (and sister!) and Ron King may have their chances, depending on the pairings and a few others have medal chances like Shane McCosker, Hugh Devlin, Rawle Allicock, Jim Morrison and Jack Francis, and who knows, maybe also a player yet unkown to the Checker community. Remember Lubabalo Kondlo's victories last year!
So sad he will not play there.

Greetinx from sunny, but cloudy Dortmund, Germany

Ingo Zachos

[kim willis]

The Mind Sport Games in October has 5 games
Chess
Draughts 100sq and 64sq
Go
Bridge
Xiang-hi

As for who will win i say alex has a great chance of getting Gold.But do not under estimate the others.

This should be very interesting to realy see the strenght of others.

kim

[Alex_Moiseyev]

I think 3 players will be fighting for the 1st place: R. King, H. Devlin and I also will try do my best.

For the 2-6 place several players will compete: W. Docherty, J. Morrison, R. Beckwith, M. & B. Durdyev, S. McCoskey.

For 5-10 places will compete A. Durdyeva, P. Breen, R. Allicock, P.Durdyev, D. Harwood.

Rusian speaking players from former Soviet Union Republics mostly will occupy 11-20 places but someone lucky maybe in top 10

There is a good number of players who will provide a serious competition in single game or round, but not in the whole event.

First place will be around 29-32 points out of 40 (10 rounds ?)

Jack Francis told me in Las Vegas that more likely he will not be un China due to financial problems.

South Africa players are good enough in GAYP but have very little experience in 3-moves and need more practice - International and domestic.

I do not anticipate much surprises for the final outcome and we will see still the same high ranking players on top, but I can predict alot of welcome and unwelcome surprises in single games. Publish play will play a bit less role and have smaller influence than usual. Cross aboard skills and spirit will dominate.

Respectfully,

Alex Moiseyev

[MostFamousDane]

I just got back from the future here is what the results will be:

1. B. Durdyev
2. M. Durdyev
3. Ron King
4. Alex Moiseyev
5. R. Allicock

Place number 5 can be replaced with Docherty/Devlin depending on the quality of the chinese nightlife

[Alex_Moiseyev]

I just got back from the future

Ha-ha !!! Thanks, sir - you made me a day

When you was in the future - did you check datres ? It was first round or last round ?

[MostFamousDane]

I just got back from the future

Ha-ha !!! Thanks, sir - you made me a day

When you was in the future - did you check datres ? It was first round or last round ?

Last round of course

[Ingo_Zachos]

I just got back from the future here is what the results will be:

1. B. Durdyev
2. M. Durdyev
3. Ron King
4. Alex Moiseyev
5. R. Allicock

Place number 5 can be replaced with Docherty/Devlin depending on the quality of the chinese nightlife

did you see where I end up ?

Greetinx,

Ingo

[MostFamousDane]

I just got back from the future here is what the results will be:

1. B. Durdyev
2. M. Durdyev
3. Ron King
4. Alex Moiseyev
5. R. Allicock

Place number 5 can be replaced with Docherty/Devlin depending on the quality of the chinese nightlife

did you see where I end up ?

Greetinx,

Ingo

10.

[Patrick Parker]

I will make a nice prediction alex ron william will lose 0 games unless they lose them to each other
and more over id say alex loses 0 games

actually it seems r king does best in tournaments...out of almost any player in the world duh so obviously
he is the favorite ....alex can beat king but alex doesnt get to play him every round...for better or worse
I think for some reason ron takes more of a lowder approach than alex does when playing weaker players
tho my thoughts on this might not be exact it seems king can pull out alot of wins but takes more risk
i see the large number of players being a problem unless they do knockout divisions .....or divisions in general
how will that work

alex or ron as first place....probably decided by honor points
william
i am not really familiar with players after this but
perhaps shane will show up next

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Patrick and Sune,

you both are seriously underestimate Irish grandmaster Hugh Devlin, the best UK & Ireland player today unless R. Pask is inactive. If Hugh will be in his best form - he will compete for the first place in Beijing, and finish in top 3. If he will be in his worse form - he finish among top 6, but stil scoring far more than 50% points.

Example of his worse form - WQT on Barbados in 2004. I would recommend him this time arrive 2-3 days in advance for better acclimatization and adopting to time zone.

Regards,

Alex

[MostFamousDane]

Patrick and Sune,

you both are seriously underestimate Irish grandmaster Hugh Devlin, the best UK & Ireland player today unless R. Pask is inactive. If Hugh will be in his best form - he will compete for the first place in Beijing, and finish in top 3. If he will be in his worse form - he finish among top 6, but stil scoring far more than 50% points.

Example of his worse form - WQT on Barbados in 2004. I would recommend him this time arrive 2-3 days in advance for better acclimatization and adopting to time zone.

Regards,

Alex

Hi Alex

You might be right

How about the Durdyevs ? They have dominated every qualifer they have been in - how many top 3 placements do they need in WCQ tournaments in order for you to predict them in the top 3 ? You guys have been wrong before and you will again

The best player will not win this tournament - the player who is best at getting points from weaker players and who is most lucky will win - mostly the second part which of course makes it very hard to predict - its a good thing I have that time machine .

[Alex_Moiseyev]

How about the Durdyevs ? They have dominated every qualifer they have been in - how many top 3 placements do they need in WCQ tournaments in order for you to predict them in the top 3 ?

Sune, I played in Irish Open and saw Bagtiyar play and even was lucky to win the game in first round against him. I didn't see anything very special or significant. He played well, but it is only enough to talk about some potentials. I, personally, would put S. McCoskey above him today.

Concerning my play in Ireland - I was seriously ill during the tournament and few weeks after this. I was in lost in 2 games and missed a win in couple. But even under this conditions I finished 6 points above trailing group. R. King didn't play first 8 games and had weaker opponents which allowed him to catch leaqding group at the end of event !

The best player will not win this tournament - the player who is best at getting points from weaker players and who is most lucky will win

I wish you are right , but all statistics and history dissaprove your message. Best players win most games ... otherwise they won't be best. Also, best players are excellent cross aboard players - otherwise they won't be best and cross aboard skills is necessary component and sign of quality.

I don't know strong players who is not a strong cross aboard player.

Should I also say that strong players are strong in spirit ?

Luck is extremely important component, no questions, but it's influence is limited for top players. If myself, Ron King or Hugh Devlin will be extremely lucky in Beijing - we can win 14 games from 20, if we don't have much luck - 12, and if some of us will be very unlucky - he still wins 8-10 games, which is enough for 3-4 places.

But again - I predicted that Bagtiyar and Mustafa will compete for the 2nd-6th place, but with all my respect I should say that non of them will win the event. It's another level.

Ohh ... I almost forget. Stability is another necessary skill for strong polayers. Winner of event in Beijing will not lose more than 2 games, but more likely - 0 or 1.

Regards,

Alex

[MostFamousDane]

How about the Durdyevs ? They have dominated every qualifer they have been in - how many top 3 placements do they need in WCQ tournaments in order for you to predict them in the top 3 ?

Sune, I played in Irish Open and saw Bagtiyar play and even was lucky to win the game in first round against him. I didn't see anything very special or significant. He played well, but it is only enough to talk about some potentials. I, personally, would put S. McCoskey above him today.

Well if you perceive him to be a great player and he finished top 3 two times in a row - maybe its time to give up that perception since reality has obviously proven it to be wrong

Concerning my play in Ireland - I was seriously ill during the tournament and few weeks after this. I was in lost in 2 games and missed a win in couple. But even under this conditions I finished 6 points above trailing group. R. King didn't play first 8 games and had weaker opponents which allowed him to catch leaqding group at the end of event !

That is very impressive - I can't play at all unless I'm completely resten and feel well - you have to teach me how you do it. The reason why I don't predict you or Ron King to finish first is that it would simply be too boring a prediction

The best player will not win this tournament - the player who is best at getting points from weaker players and who is most lucky will win

I wish you are right , but all statistics and history dissaprove your message. Best players win most games ... otherwise they won't be best. Also, best players are excellent cross aboard players - otherwise they won't be best and cross aboard skills is necessary component and sign of quality.

All statistics and history doesn't disprove my message - my assumption here is that they will use the schwiss system for the tournament with game scoring. The schwiss system only has one advantage and that is that it is pratical - it is hopelessly unfair and random. It is especially hopeless when there is a big difference in skill between top players and bottom players - which is what I expect of the tournament. In schwiss system losing games early in tournament is actually good because you get worse players which you can get more points from. History has proven this time and time again

I don't know strong players who is not a strong cross aboard player.

Should I also say that strong players are strong in spirit ?

Luck is extremely important component, no questions, but it's influence is limited for top players. If myself, Ron King or Hugh Devlin will be extremely lucky in Beijing - we can win 14 games from 20, if we don't have much luck - 12, and if some of us will be very unlucky - he still wins 8-10 games, which is enough for 3-4 places.

There is one difference

But again - I predicted that Bagtiyar and Mustafa will compete for the 2nd-6th place, but with all my respect I should say that non of them will win the event. It's another level.

Ohh ... I almost forget. Stability is another necessary skill for strong polayers. Winner of event in Beijing will not lose more than 2 games, but more likely - 0 or 1.

Regards,

Alex

I will make the opposite prediction that the winner will be one of the best players who has a bad day early in the tournament and loses some games

[tommyc]

I dont back horses or play fruit machines so ive no predictions as to the winners,what im more interested is if Ingo (or the powers that be ) can tell us what FORMAT this Ty will take,does he or anyone have a plan in place as of now??? My prediction is there is none. Or is it a well kept secret?lol.