Women's World Freestyle Championship

[kiwinurse]

If Hojas level of respect was high Alex, he would have contacted me by now. I dont wear this at all,its all another delaying tactic,and why would i even want to go to Turkmenisten to place myself in a mans hands,whose word is not his bond.That would be crazy.The fact is he didnt have a bid put together,when i had mine.There was nothing in place,except empty words.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Hi, Jan ! Even with Tommy kind offer, I don't want to be in position of medium person or advocate. I don't want to take any sides in this story, because incidentally I've been on both sides of barricades, as challenger and as champion, in both cases as victim ! I was a winner at the end because always follow the rule:

there is only one way to prove pudding - eat it !

I am confident enough that finally this match will be materialize and we all will be awarded from this - you and Amangul as players, and rest - as supporters and fans !

Respectfully,

Alex Moiseyev

[Lindus Edwards]

"There is only one way to prove pudding - eat it !" This is true Alex. Hopefully Jan will have a taste of the pudding.

[william]

Sorry Tommy , and Alex

I will have to bring you back down to earth. If the guy ( Hoja ) wanted to bid for the match , then I find it totally unbelievable that he only knew on last day of bids that he had the possibility to back this match !!!

Ok the rules do give you till the last day to make a bid , otherwise there would be no last day , but take it from me , the guy knows his strategy and these were under the table low down tactics .

Jan provided proof to back her bid , Hoja bidded , everyone said amen ( or inchalla) and accepted nothing but words.

Who is to blame , I do not know , but perhaps the bidding process should be redefined.

Believe me , in a sportpersons mind , this is de stabelising and if the match does goes ahead the Jan will have to do a good deal of mental preparation to be able to cast ( temporarily) aside the bad vibes created by this insult to her goodwill.

[kiwinurse]

Thankyou William,youve put into words what ive been feeling for months about the match,very bad vibes,its been a real struggle,especially when there are no replies to your questions, and no date to work towards.

[liam stephens]

Hello Jan,

As an outsider, I find the sequence of events related on this site truly amazing. Why should you have had to go running around sending emails to Turkmenistan representatives regarding the match ?
Once the WCDF accepted the Turkmenistan bid over the New Zealand bid, then. surely it was for the WCDF to put the arrangements in place, secure the travel facilities and ensure the booking of your flight ticket in good time, so as to enable you to arrange for provision of tickets for whoever would accompany you, within the window of opportunity that was available to you at that time. It seems incredible that you would have to negotiate directly with the opposing party involved in the match.

As I recall it, the fact that the Barbados match did not materialise was due to the failure of air travel tickets to be provided. It would seem that the lessons from that event have still to be learned.
The current buzz word is that all future bids should require the bid money to be put in escrow.!!!

Regards - Liam.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

As I recall it, the fact that the Barbados match did not materialise was due to the failure of air travel tickets to be provided.

True, but this is end of story. The main reason was - they (Barbados organisers) putted on bid ... lets call it "promises and hopes" instead real money. When everythning get close, some of their sponsors disappeared and bid failed.

I don't think this is the case today with Woman GAYP match.

Regards,

Alex

[kiwinurse]

At the start of this fiasco ,a year ago,i was told by the WCDF that it was up to the challenger to bid for the match,hence i did.Liam, Hugh has been dealing directly with Hoja, and passing on anything to me,but after Beiijing he asked me to negotiate with Hoja on dates,which i duly tried to,with no response.When i had organized my bid,i also tried to get a date from Hoja when it would suit,with no response from him.I remember posting at the beginning of the year on here that the challenger should not have to organize the match,it should be a WCDF thing to do,but the powers that be decided that if there were no bids,it was up to the challenger to do it.

[kiwinurse]

Pardon me,and apologies to Palamino,there was one offer of a bid from Palamino in Indiana,and i was very grateful,but at that stage i had approached the Invercargill Licensing Trust,and they had promised to support me in a bid,so i decided to go for New Zealand.

[tommyc]

Once the WCDF accepted the Turkmenistan bid over the New Zealand bid, then. surely it was for the WCDF to put the arrangements in place, secure the travel facilities and ensure the booking of your flight ticket in good time...Liam said::



I would have to agree with Liam!"........."someone put the cart before the horse"

I would advise Jan now due to the psycological pressure plus stress and strain that she is undoubtedly under that it might be best to defer the match and start on a clean page when suitable arrangements have been made by the WCDF.!!.

[kim willis]

This is very upsetting to hear.For not many women do play in the Checker World and for me it seems as i have said before women in this checker world will not grow if this continues.
As for jan submitting a bid and then the WCDF taking Hojas last minute bid seems totally unfair to Jan.
I think that this could be solved like
1).Conbine both bids
2).Have the match in a neutral settings (like Ireland)
3).Play no favortism with either player.
4).Wcdf set a date and if Amungul refuses she looses the title to Jan, or it should be up for grabs again.
If Jan refuses then Amungul keeps her title.
5). And if the match does not come in play what ever the bid was should go into a trust.

I believe that the WCDF should take this is their hands ,,,,Not leave it up to the challenger or the champion....

Just my 2 cents worth
kim

[kiwinurse]

In all fairness to Hugh, Kim, in October he offered Ireland after the Beiijing games, but i had no money to go over at that time,and Hoja had made his bid,so i refused to go to Ireland.In hindsight,it would have been the better option,but i probably would have gone to the Beiijing games,as John Reade had asked me.Not realizing this was going to happen. i was trying to prepare gayp for Amanguls game,and Beiijing was 3 move,but if i know now what i know,i would have made the effort, saved,and gone to Beiijing.

[kiwinurse]

I would like the WCDF to realize that while i respect each one member of the group that run the WCDF,and i also realize as William pointed out.its a thankless job,im also pretty upset at not being heard,and upset that a deadline for this match was not given at the beginning of the bidding process.Im upset that the delays in this match will eventually cost more and more money,of which i personally havent got.
And im insulted that a world qualifier in the Isle of Wight is being announced,inviting people to attend,and the winner of the womens will play Amangel,it announces,before my match is even played.Does the WCDF really not intend our match to take place?

[jimloy]

I have a few comments.

The world champs and the candidates should not have to make the bids. But, they and their local supporters are the most interested parties and there is no reason why they can't come up with the best bid. And they can save the situation when there are no bids (for whatever reasons).

As far as I can tell, Ron King was fooled by his donors and he learned a painful lesson. Rather than informing Alex and the rest of the world that he was having troubles, it would seem that he kept quiet and let the time of the match slip by. And so the WCDF learned a painful lesson, too. But they had to assume that it was all going well, until the complaints started coming.

I assume that the Durdyev bid was somewhat larger than the New Zealand bid. And that is probably why it was chosen. Again, you have to assume it is a legitimate bid until the complaints start coming.

It seems that Hoja Durdyev has been incredibly disrespectful to Jan Mortimer (and maybe to the WCDF too, for all I can tell) by not keeping her informed in any way, by not answering her questions. I assume the match will still happen. But whatever is happening is a bad joke. We learn another painful lesson. Hopefully, the match will happen, and the lesson will be a minor one.

Maybe the WCDF is doing all they can, maybe not. If Hoja is fooling us all, then the WCDF may be powerless to straighten it out. But, the WCDF too have not freely communicated with Jan, as far as I can tell.

And maybe donor promises are not enough. Maybe all of the bids must be guaranteed in some legal way (contracts or deposits) before they can be evaluated and accepted.

[tommyc]

I think Jan has found the answer, painful as it may be when she said::::"Does the WCDF really not intend our match to take place?"...............enough said!!!!