Women's World Freestyle Championship

[Lindus Edwards]

Josh, if your post had been written in Victorian days, and had I been in existence at that time, I might - just might - have agreed with it!

[Lindus Edwards]

Josh, the issue here is not about showing respect to Alex. It is about his lack of respect for Jan Mortimer. Being the champion of the world does not give him the right to write disrespectfully. Do you agree with this?

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Being the champion of the world does not give him the right to write disrespectfully. Do you agree with this?

Lindus, I think you are trying to create a problem on empty place, where it doesn't exist. I can only confirm again, that on April 1st i posted a joke. The reason I confirmed this because Jan was asking about status of this information.

Josh is right about this title. It is easy to create title, but not easy to support it. WCDF was very irresponsible when they created this title without having sufficent number of players and it's promotion on National level.

Lindus, saying that it was disrepect to Jan Mortimer in my post (or joke) regarding match, you must be more specific and maybe quote something ... otherwise people could be totally confuse

Respetfully,

Alex Moiseyev

[Lindus Edwards]

Alex,
Your smoke screens will not work with me. You were the instigator of this issue by placing a lie on the intenet about finances that were supposed to have been forthcoming in Jan Mortimer's match with Amangul. This was a lie of a serious nature and has caused Jan much perturbation, and for this I ask you to apologise. Do not try to evade the issue as you invariably do. As Tommy said, be a man about this and simply say sorry for the distress you have caused this dear lady of checkers.
No one with a modicum of sensibility will thank you for causing distress to Jan Mortimer. Do you really believe that you did not do so? Answer this simple question - if you can.

[tommyc]

Nothing less will do if he is a man at all.................????

[BillyBoy]

Hello Everyone, Wow this is really getting serious everyone wanting to get poor Alex here. I just feel in my opin the match should not take place. Jan should be awarded the title due to stress and torment. She put all the work into this and tried countless times to make it happen. Its obvious this champion whatever her name is does not want to compete. When was the last time this woman ever did anything I never see her name listed in tournaments. As for the womens title and what its worth. Well men do totally dominate the game of checkers. And yes Alex is the best in the world proven time and time again true. But equall rights so a man champ only right to have a woman champion. Jan is a strong player no doubt and my opin the strongest woman player in pro checkers. Billyboy

[BillyBoy]

Hello Everyone, When I wrote that statement I was not 100 percent on the topic. I was just putting bits and pieces together from what I read from post. So my apologees to Amangul on this matter. From now on when I post I will do furthur research before hand. Reguards Billy

[kiwinurse]

Today i received word from Hugh Devlin that the WCDF were forfeiting me in my match with Amangul Durdeyov.I see this as the most biased and unfairest action in checker history.About 18 months ago i posted on the forum that i hoped the WCDF would be the head and not the tail in organizing this match.Well i hoped wrong.
Hoja Durdeyov was given unlimited time and no limits were set on him for this match,which should have been settled months ago,while i tried to get a date to play it.In fact i believe his bid was all bluff right from the beginning,and the WCDF went along with it,not investigating it properly,putting no proper balances in place,so i could play the match with confidence,
It was easier for the WCDF to forfeit me,and they had no conscience in doing so,nor any honour.If this is the workings of the World Checker Federation,then i hope for their early demise,as they are doing nothing for the efficient running of checkers,but allowing favouritism to rule.
No person in their right minds could have travelled to Turkmenisten under the conditions that were set by both Hoja and the WCDF. It was madness.
The New Zealand draught Federation tried hard to negotiate with them,but only got doublespeak rubbish in return,trying to paint me as the villain,which was ridiculous.Everything we said was twisted and taken out of context.
I have lost all faith in the workings of the WCDF through this experience,and i would warn anyone travelling to the world qualifier,be careful that you dont win. Jan Mortimer

[tommyc]

Well this is bad new indeed .............for the WCDF as it will be hard for them as a body to come back from this humilation defeat,(and there have been others)one would have to call for their immediate resignnation "ENBLOC" but not before they give full and open explaination ..1How this decision was taken 2 Who voted on it and what was each members decison 3 What was the result of the ballot (10-1 or 6-4 ) etc. 4 How this decision was reached and the logic behind it.

Unless and until this happens i can only assume that the said organisation bears the mantle of a "secret body" who answers to no one.This post is not about the personalities involved either Jan Mortimer nor Hoja Durdyeyev nor the rights or wrongs of it all but simply why this has gone on so long and nobody had the "gut" to take a decison ,until now that is ,makes you wonder who is steering this rudder-less ship.

Bearing mind the disppointment of Jan Mortimer and the struggle she has had "well its just a nightmare " and i would say to any right minded people in the light of this decision to call for

1 The disbandment of this organisation

2That it be replaced

3 Forfeiture of the Title (until new arrangements are made by someone with a brain in their head and a beating heart)

4 A public apology to Ms Mortimer (for all the cock-ups that have been made and pain and hurt caused either personal or financial)

5.......And withdrawal of any support for all WCDF "ORGANISED EVENTS??" (now theres a laugh to finish off with!!!! )

[liam stephens]

Hi Jan,

Very sorry to hear that the match has been awarded against you.

Though it comes as no surprise, I think there are grounds for claiming that the decision is perverse and should be overturned. In a recent posting on the Forum by WCDF Committee member Ingo Zachos, he outlined some perspectives of the WCDF thinking . It is significant that those statements have now been censored from the posting.

I recollect that two points were made:

1. The members of the WCDF Committee strongly disapproved of a statement made earlier on the forum by a non-member of the WCDF, but who is a well known personality in the game.

If so, why did the committee members not come out of the closet and censure that statement publicly.

2. The Committee acknowledged deficiencies and shortcomings in the WCDF rules that are prejudicial to the rights of the challenger and which they now propose to amend at a subsequent GA meeting.

The following rule 6.3.9 in particular is grossly unfair to the Challenger and could, I feel sure, be overturned in a court of law. After allowing an open bid and none is received, responsibility for arranging the match passes to the challenger, but having given him/her that responsibility, then in rule 6.3.9 it is taken away from him/her at the whim of any other late alternative offer. Why ? These people had the chance to make a bid in the first open bid period. Why should they get a second bite at the cherry ??

6.3.5 If no bid is received to host a World Championship Match by 1st January of the year in which the match has to be played, then it is the responsibility of the challenger to arrange the match.


6.3.9 Despite the onus being transferred to the Challenger to organise the match, the WCDF can also consider late alternative offers by the Champion or a third party.

On the grounds of the unfairness of this 6.3.9 rule alone, I believe the proceedings leading to the match award decision should be overturned.

Trouble is the WCDF can act as judge and jury in its own courtroom. In Ireland we have what is called the Mahon Tribunal for dealing with such cases. Briefly what happens is that a person of high reputation and integrity is made chairman of the Tribunal. In the case of Draughts I would nominate Sune Thrane as the Chairman. The Tribunal listens to the evidence from both sides. In addition the Tribunal can compel witnesses to appear before it and cross examine them. If someone refuses to appear, that will be taken into account by the Chairman in reaching judgement. The proceedings of the Tribunal are held in public with daily transcripts appearing in the press. What could be done here is to hold the Tribunal on the ACF Forum with daily reports of the proceedings for all to see. Thus everything is seen to be fair and above board. Also there would be no need for anyone to travel and all submissions would be in writing on the Forum. When all the evidence has been submitted and cross examinations completed the Chairman makes his deliberations and in due course announces his findings and recommendations. These findings and recommendations are binding on both parties to the dispute.

Jan, I support your recent call for an independent review.

Over to you administrators of the ACF Forum, to set it in place.

Regards - Liam.

[Ingo_Zachos]

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[tommyc]

[quote="Ingo ]thx for your opinion, but the trurt is that no player has been forfeited yet.[/quote]

Hi Ingo..................


1......So Hugh Devlin is wrong in what he wrote to Jan???
2......Does anyone know what the other one is doing in the WCDF??
3...........So there was no democratic vote??..................or was there .......can you clear this up??

[liam stephens]

"Curiouser and curiouser!” cried Alice…. (the Mad Hatters tea party) - From Alice in Wonderland.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

1......So Hugh Devlin is wrong in what he wrote to Jan???

Everything is possible, Tommy Another option could be if Jan misinterpretated Hugh words or misled users of this forum.

Respectfully,

AM

[Lindus Edwards]

I have refrained from writing in detail on this matter and have only hitherto given a few brief comments as I had hoped that justice would be done, and would be seen to be done so far as my very dear friend Jan Mortimer was concerned. Now, however, I feel overwhelmingly constrained to express my opinion of the WCDF.
Jan Mortimer received a lengthy email from Hugh Devlin which I have read carefully. Although it contains a great amount of ambiguity, such as existed in Mr Devlin’s last post here in this chain, the last paragraph of his email is unambiguous and leaves the reader in no doubt of its meaning – that Jan Mortimer has received a forfeit as challenger for the women’s world freestyle draughts championship. No other interpretation could be placed upon that last paragraph.
Ingo Zachos, himself a member of the WCDF committee, now informs us that no such forfeit has occurred!!
I present this – and just this for the moment (far more to come!) as overwhelming evidence of the gross incompetence of the WCDF, a body which I feel owes it as a great favour to the checker playing fraternal to be gone.
I concur with Jan Mortimer and Liam Stephens in saying that an independent review of the disgraceful WCDF be undertaken as a matter of urgency.
Ingo, rather amusingly, pointed out that the WCDF was “independent” and seemingly failed to appreciate that although the WCDF is an “independent body it can nevertheless be the subject of scrutiny by another independent body. Ingo, please do try to understand this.

"Nothing less will do if he is a man at all.................????"