Question for Alex from the NZDA

[Lindus Edwards]

John Guetta of the NZDA is having problems logging into this forum and has asked me to post the following question to Alex Moiseyev: If Ron's sponsors wanted 2-3 weeks extra time. Wouldn't it have been great sportsmanship to agree with it, so the match could be played ?

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Lindus, here is my answer to Mr. John Guetta.

1. In 2007 it was an official contract written, checked and confirmed by ALL parties including Ron King, myself, WCDF and Alan Millhone, match Referee. This contract was accepted preliminary in the middle of July and match supposed to start on Septembver 30. After then it took an extra week for me to move match start to October 1st in order to capture one extra USA holiday day.

2. At the end of July all contract terms were finalized and we sticked into this. I scheduled my vacation time and confirmed it with my manager and we also created some business workload plan based on my vacation and connected with workload of other team members.

3. I beleive that Alan Millhone also did the same work with his business schedule.

4. Since end of July noone challenged dates and it's never being a case.

5. If Barbados organisers would tell us in the beginning of September that they need some extra time, I may probably think about this and try to find a compromise solution. I have no idea if this change would be acceptble for Alan Millhone. If not - that would be another very serious part of problem.

6. I started to send a panic emails to WCDF and Barbados after September 10 about asking for my and Alan Millhone tickets, but never got any good response from Barbados until end of September.

7. They never told us that there are any problems here. And only when we went to September 28, Friday, when me and Alan Millhone had to go to airport, it was an email from Barbados with very soft social statement: "Hey guys, we are not ready at the moment, but need few more weeks to find a money".

8. There were no any exact information in this statement and it didn't guarantee anything at all. It didn't guarantee us a simple fact that after so-called "few weeks" money will be there. They just were asking 2-3 more weeks in order to find money/sponsors.

9. All after all, contract is an official document. After it's approved, accepted and signed by all parties - no more changes shall allow. In addition - contract must be ready at least 60 days prior match start.

10. Usually I trust only my own competency, and during contract terms negotiaions I tried to include and discuss everything - all important issues which may arise and are important for players, referee and organisers.

11. I think the main reason which leaded to match cancelation in 2007 was the fact that Ron didn't want to play this match ... or maybe he wasn't very enthusiastic to play this match on Barbados. Otherwise all wording and argumentation would be different and much more aggressive. When I said to John Reade on September 28 that I can't wait and postpone anything, it was a very soft passive reaction from Ron - "so be it".

12. I hope I answer Mr. Guetta question. if there are any other questions regarding details of unplayed match in 2007 - I'll be very glad to answer here or in private email. It is pity that he ask me this question today, not many months ago when there were chances to secure Amangul vs Jan match and do everything properly.

13. As you see - there are very little analogies and similarities of this story with what we had this year with Ladies GAYP Match... except the basic concept - when someone doesn't want to play match, something always happened.

14. After 2007 3-moves WCM was called off, I tried to push a motion to WCDF to review/revise rules and requirements to bids and bidding/selection processing. Noone was interested and this motion never got support, including some people, who today is not happy with this process regarding other match(es). It is never late because new matches are coming, and today this motion is still active, needed and highly wanted. NZDA along with other National Federations can support and back it through existing communication chanal with WCDF.

Respectfully,

Alex Moiseyev

[Hugh Devlin]

Alex, I believe that if you revisit the original and factual statement made on Ron's forfeit you will find that it was based on the failure to provide the tickets as per your agreed contract, and had nothing to do with any request for a postponment. That only came to light after he was forfeited. Check the facts. Hugh

[Lindus Edwards]

Thank you Alex. I am sure John Guetta will appreciate your reply.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Alex, I believe that if you revisit the original and factual statement made on Ron's forfeit you will find that it was based on the failure to provide the tickets as per your agreed contract, and had nothing to do with any request for a postponment. That only came to light after he was forfeited. Check the facts. Hugh

Thanks, Hugh!

I didn't recheck anything but I trust you. The main and formal reason of fortfeit in 2007 indeed was not providing tickets to me and Alan, as it was writen clearly in contract.

But there were alot of ohter facts and small details around, and I just tried to put some of them here giving forum readerrs more and clear picture about what happened.

I didn't have a chance to review Amangul vs Jan contract (if any). Without this most of our conversations and argumentations on this forum are speculative. But I know that it was a straight WCDF final decision regarding August 10 - accept or quit. And Jan choose resignation.

Today, after we know what happened it is easy to say and suggest something. But based on my past experience with negotiations I know - you can negotiate things with WCDF but it's word is final. All Jan questions must be addressed before accepting a final version of bid. After acceptance, questions may still arise but can't change anything. Good lesson.

Respectfully,

Alex Moiseyev

[kiwinurse]

To reply to you Alex, my questions were never answered,although i asked many times.And i never chose to resign.What gives you the right to judge this,when you say you dont even know what our contract was?After the original bid,which i assume was the contract that HUgh speaks of,although nothing is clear,and nothing was signed,i accepted,and you know damned well and the WCDF knows damned well i couldnt get a date for it.That was not my fault,and there should have been a forfeit right back then on the Dudeyovs for not giving me a date,before May 31st.
Although the WCDF paint the picture that they bent over backwards,because i was questioning the going to Balkanabet,they cannot say i refused to go then,i have it all in writing.It should not be me thats being forfeited.
So once again,stop trying to muddy the waters.All you are doing is being provocative.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Jan, as match participant, it was your responsibility and your obligations make sure that contract is written clearly with all terms and conditions. After then contract must be reviewed by everyone, confirmed and signed. This also had never been done. If there is anyone here who mutted the water, it's not me. You think that everyone including WCDF, had to do something, but this is wrong assumption. It was your match, especially because you are challenger, and challenger mainly responsible for everything.

8 years ago we had a serious controversy, because we didn't have a main body and views on title divided among National Federations. WCDF was created in 2003 in order to prevent such controverses, hold title and have a final word on it. It still works.

And please, stop this street language, it doesn't have a good look in puiblic eyes and not a good model for other forum uers, visitors and youth generation.

Respectfully,

Alex Moiseyev

[kiwinurse]

You say you didnt have a chance to review Amangul v Jan contract(if any)yet on July 31st on here you wrote "Ithink i saw this document when Hoja passed it to me"You also stated then that you helped Hoja with it.Then you state that the WCDF accepted this bid,and it was accepted by me ,,, and dates were confirmed.Dates were never confirmed,i never got any,at the time for that original bid.This is yet again an example of all the double-speak you and the WCDF are talking to paint me as the guilty party.

[liam stephens]

Methinks the man goes too far.

Jan Mortimer a user of "street language" ? - NEVER !

What a ridiculous and ill considered allegation.

Jan, now he owes you a double apology ! !

"Nothing less will do if he is a man at all. "

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