Women's World Freestyle Championship

[Lindus Edwards]

Alex wrote, "Dennis, I saw all emails which you are referring." My reply to this is - Oh no you have not!
I note that Alex has a great fondness for the word "against" which he used, yet again, in his previous message in respect of Jan Mortimer. In spite of the fact that Alex is not aware of the full story in this case he nevertheless persists that Jan is wrong in everything she says in every post of his "against" her!
In respect of Dennis Cayton's last post I can only find this to say - ABSOLUTELY TRUTHFUL AND BRILLIANT.

[Lindus Edwards]

I will be unable to post further until Friday the 28th August but, in the words of General Douglas MacArthur, “I shall return.”

[Dennis Cayton]

In respect of Dennis Cayton's last post I can only find this to say - ABSOLUTELY TRUTHFUL AND BRILLIANT.

Thank you, Lindus.

Your words are deeply appeciated.

I see what I see, and I write what I see, to the best of my ability.

I will be unable to post further until Friday the 28th August but, in the words of General Douglas MacArthur, “I shall return.”

I shall eagerly be looking forward to your safe return.

May God Bless,

Dennis Cayton

[Dennis Cayton]

All Jan supporters should consider that they are committing the same crimes themselves.

To Josh Armstrong:

In addition to being ethnocentrists and white supremacists, are you saying we are criminals now?

Precisely what "crimes" have we committed?

Josh, I would like for you to read the remainder of your paragraph below.

You all are calling Hugh Devlin a liar. Mr. Devlin is a grandmaster, a family man, and a devout checker player. The time he spent promoting this game is priceless. No one ever stopped to think that his recollections may be completely accurate. I see no reason for him to skew the truth. By stating that his compilation is skewed is a slap in the face to Mr. Devlin.

Please read it again, very carefully.

When you have finished, please read your next paragraph below:

Personally these supporters seem very bias. It's like when someones friend shoots up a school. The immediate reaction from those closes is usually "he couldn't have done it, he was such a nice guy." Well he did, deal with it.

Now read both of these paragraphs again.

Are you able to see that you are committing the very same type of thinking fallacy in your first paragraph, in defense of Hugh Devlin, that you are condemning in your second paragraph directly above?

After you see it, please take the following advice:

Deal with it.

Very Sincerely,

Dennis Cayton

[Dennis Cayton]

Dennis, I saw all emails which you are referring.

According to Lindus Edwards, you have not.

At least ones which cicrculated in the last few days in email.

If Lindus Edwards is correct, and if there are some email messages pertaining to this case which have not yet been publicly circulated, then your first statement above will have been proven false.

My verdict remains unchanged.

Please read your next statement below:

GA should examine all additional sources & information......

You now appear to be contradicting yourself.

Specifically, you now appear to be acknowledging the possible existence of these "additional sources and information."

Please allow me to repeat the status of your verdict.

My verdict remains unchanged.

The fact that your verdict "remains unchanged", without examining the additional information which you now concede may exist, strongly suggests that your "guilty" verdict is a prejudicial one.

You continue:

...... and if they find WCDF statement correct - GA should take additional sanctions against Jan who made significant damage to checkers and Woman checkers in particular, and raise atmosphere of hateness. We can't tolerate this.

I am appalled that your personal attacks against Jan Mortimer continue.

I have seen no evidence whatsoever to support your accusations.

Jan Mortimer has made a profoundly positive and lasting impact upon the game of checkers and the increasing role that women are now playing to breathe new life into the game.

Instead, it is the premature and prejudicial decision by the WCDF to render a forfeit decision against Jan Mortimer, which is causing damage to the game and the future role that women may have upon the game.

Expressing very normal and legitimate concerns over one's personal safety and security while traveling to a foreign country, and demanding reasonable and satisfactory assurances of one's personal safety and security during one's travel to that country, does not constitute evidence of racism or hatred.

If others were offended by these very reasonable concerns and demands, then that's their problem.

Those who experienced false perceptions of racism and hatred would do well to take personal responsiblity for manufacturing them.

Alex, with all due respect, I strongly suggest that you engage in some serious personal introspection, and administer to yourself a fearless moral inventory, in an effort to discover the true source of the hatred you have falsely projected upon a valued member of our checker fraternity.

Very Sincerely,

Dennis Cayton

[Dennis Cayton]

Devlin is a top notch guy & high quality player, thus he deserves respect. He's obtained a high skill level and is an ethical businessman of the game. So if you were to ask me who I would believe, Hugh or the other person, that is self-explanatory. Hugh has already proven his worth, what has the other person done to prove she can be trusted within the parameters of the checker world?

Devlin has done enough for checkers at the international level, what has the other person done? Lets not include bush league events. All I know is, Devlin's word is priceless and it is good enough for all of us. If I could make investments on his word alone, I'd bet my whole life savings. I mean, it's that safe of a bet.

To Josh Armstrong:

Your testimony above reveals that you would make an excellent character witness for Hugh Devlin.

Unfortunately, none of your testimony cited above proves or disproves the guilt or innocence of Hugh Devlin and the WCDF in the rendering of a premature and prejudicial forfeit decision against Jan Mortimer.

If it is your intent to try to "prove" the innocence of Hugh Devlin on behalf of your testimony cited above, then you are falling into a variation of the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad verecundiam .

Perhaps, the following link will be of some instructional value to you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority

For additional study, I strongly suggest you take a course in elementary logic.

Very Sincerely,

Dennis Cayton

[Irma Sierra]

Ohhh, poor of me, I dont deserve respect because I am not a top notch guy and high quality player....I dont deserve respect because I dont have high skill level in checkers and as businesswoman...
I may be a family woman but that is not enough, need to be a super checkers player to have rights, as I am not a super player, DONT BELIEVE MY WORD, it doesnt worth it!,
MACHO, MACHO, MAN!!!!

[jimloy]

As I seem to remember, one of the important questions that Jan repeatedly asked was whether it was safe to travel to Turkmenistan. And I think that she wrote that this question was never answered. It would seem that this question was answered, but not to Jan's satisfaction. Apparently the WCDF had asked Walter Van Beek of the FMJD about his trips to Turkmenistan, and they passed his information on to Jan. Perhaps the WCDF should have done more, as the fate of the match seemed to be at stake. But, technically, the WCDF did answer this question. And implying that they are lying about this is unfair.

[kiwinurse]

I never implied anyone was lying Jim,this is what Walter Van Beek said about Turkmenistan.

Indeed, I was in Turkmenistan, and had a good time. The safety is not a
problem and you will be well hosted. Financial promises however, might be,
and I suggest that any prize Money, if there is, is put in an escrow
account, or have another guarantee. For the rest it is an interesting
country which is well worth a visit.

At one stage i asked for an escrow,as it would have set my mind at rest,as i was picking up plane fare once i got there.regards jan

[jimloy]

Forgive me if I misunderstand, but the following looks like an outright accusation of lying:

I have just read Hugh Devlins account of the goings on in the negotiations for my match with Amangul,and its the biggest whitewash of what actually happened ive ever seen in my life,making me look like a fool.Hugh is presenting this at the GA.Im appalled that the president of the WCDF could stoop so low as to twist and doctor events so efficiently.
If Im at fault,why has the WCDF not allowed an independant person to peruse all emails,on both sides.If there is nothing to hide,why not open up everything and let it be examined,rather than printing a one-sided version of what happened.?
Im not ashamed to present all my emails for examining. Jan Mortimer

[Dennis Cayton]

You may not have heard this, but Devlin once saved a family of 6 from a burning home. He actually ran into a home that was on fire, and pulled 4 children and guided the two adults out. Of course he would never come out and say this, he's a humble individual. I could type out a laundry list of deeds he has done, but it would only make him blush if I stated all the amount of times he risked his life for others.

To Josh Armstrong:

This is all well and good and very admirable.

However, this information is completely irrelevant to the issue of determining the truth of Hugh Devlin's guilt or innocence in determining if he and the WCDF rendered a premature and prejudicial decision of a forfeit against Jan Mortimer.

If you are trying to use this testimony to somehow try to "prove" Hugh Devlin's innocence in this matter, then once again, you are committing a variation of a logical fallacy known as
argumentum ad verecundiam , as I have tried to explain to you earlier.

With respect to the issue of Hugh Devlin's guilt or innocence in this case, your testimony proves nothing.

As for respect, these qualifications are not exclusive. You could be extraordinary in other ways. It's not just about being a top notch player, but if we're talking about checkers, it certainly is weighted heavily.

Your testimony is not "weighted heavily."

The logical fallacy you have committed renders it weightless.

One again, the positive qualities you have described are completely irrelevant and immaterial to the issue of the analysis and examination of the cold hard facts pertaining directly to this case.

It is hoped that a thoroughly fresh and unbiased analysis and examination of these facts will lead to a final determination of the validity or the lack of validity of the forfeit decision that was rendered.

As for your character assassination Dennis, you could probably tell if I respect you. I figured you would set a proper example for everyone else. I've been disappointed though.

I am unable to make any sense out of the above. You have no charged me with "character assasination" without any substantiating evidence.

Please allow to me remind you that this topic thread is about the World Championship Match between Jan Mortimer and Amangul Durdyeva, and the factors which have led to what appears to be a premature and prejudicial forfeit decision against Jan Mortimer.

This thread is not about the character of Dennis C. Cayton.

Therefore, let's stick to the facts and the issues pertaining directly to this match and its unfortunate outcome.

Thank you.

Very Sincerely,

Dennis Cayton

[Dennis Cayton]

I'm going to start a petition and send it to the WCDF: anyone who displayed racist attitudes should be banned from title contention.

To Josh Armstrong:

What is your definition of a "racial attitude?"

What are the parameters of your definition?

What are the behavioral characteristics of a "racial attitude" which would confirm and prove its existence?

Can you objectively quantify the existence of a "racial attitude?"

Will you be able to formulate a universal definition of a "racial attitude" which will be agreeable to the members of the checker playing fraternity?

Please do not attempt to answer these questions now.

However, these are the types of questions which must and should be explored and answered, before you submit such a proposal and a petititon to the WCDF, or to any other official checker playing organization, especially in view of the severity of the penalty you have suggested.

Very Sincerely,

Dennis Cayton

[kiwinurse]

I called it a whitewash Jim,and it had nothing to do with safe travelling in Turkmenisten."'The short History of the Proposed Womens World Gayp Match"written by Hugh Devlin,was onesided,omitting certain facts about the buildup of the match.Walter Van Beeks statement was just one example,of quoting the first bit of the sentence,but omitting the rest,which to me was pretty significant,especially when i had to pay my own way over there,and hes saying not to count on financial promises.But this was omitted from Hughs statement,why?
Another example,in the Avaza bid Hugh mentioned $12,500 in prize money ,but after i accepted it was changed.And i was told it was Alexs Aprils Fools Joke!Little emails like this were not included in Hugh's "Short History"Indeed it was a short history which favoured the WCDF,but the full picture was not given.Now thats not necessarily lying,its just omitting several facts,and thats why i want an investigation.

[Eric Strange]

To Dennis,

After reading all the posts, I suggest you apologize to Josh. It is clear that you have some sort of vendetta against him. You seem to have a lot of anger that you are projecting at a child. Maybe you should see a psychologist? You may have repressed anger or need help dealing with traumatic experiences.

I have a friend that was similar to you. He had a very low self-esteem. He would find it therapeutic to come to online forums and talk down to people. He got help and leads are more balanced life. Apparently he had problems dealing with a sexually abusive drunk of a father. Maybe you may have a similar problem? Not saying you do, but I do know that an apology is in order Dennis.

-Eric

[Dennis Cayton]

Dennis,

I have reported you to the authorities. Please expect the constable to pay a visit anytime now. Mr Devlin's characteristics translate to all aspects of his life. What I have seen from you is appalling, that you would have some urge to come online and attack a child, this is beyond me. Besides being threatening and belligerent, you don't seem to provide anything constructive. I do not consider your snotty attitude or your previous solicitations appealing at all. Need I remind you that this is not the Red Cross or some street corner. This is a checker forum, and I request that you stay on topic from now on.

If you continue to persist with your actions, I may have to seek more severe recourse as your words have burned a hole into my soul. I now experience anxiety and insomnia from your very hurtful words. After reading your posts I have lost my appetite and dropped 10 pounds just this week. It is people like you that are shifting this forum away from a loving peaceful environment. Sir, I suggest you look above, press "Logout," erase your history, and never visit the forum again.

Greetings To All:

The post quoted above is off topic, and I shall not dignify it with a reply.

To Dennis,

After reading all the posts, I suggest you apologize to Josh. It is clear that you have some sort of vendetta against him. You seem to have a lot of anger that you are projecting at a child. Maybe you should see a psychologist? You may have repressed anger or need help dealing with traumatic experiences.

I have a friend that was similar to you. He had a very low self-esteem. He would find it therapeutic to come to online forums and talk down to people. He got help and leads are more balanced life. Apparently he had problems dealing with a sexually abusive drunk of a father. Maybe you may have a similar problem? Not saying you do, but I do know that an apology is in order Dennis.

-Eric

Please see my comment above.

Very Sincerely,

Dennis Cayton