Ohio State Tournament, 9/11-9/12

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Re: Ohio State Tournament, 9/11-9/12

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Hi, Mr. Cayton !
Dennis Cayton wrote:As stated numerous times before, I am in favor of constructive efforts to promote the game of Checkers on this forum.
Here is where we agree. But I highlighted the most important word in your statement - constructive. Personally I didn't see yet too many really constructive promotional posts on this forum. And from just very few constructive posts I didn't see any which were converted and resulted into real deal.

Maybe I missed something ?

You shouldn't be insulted from my post because you didn't write anything here either constructive or pseudo promotional. You are OK.

It is not my responsibility and intention as world champion make posts here which DON'T insult everyone. There are other people who can do this better. If someone gets insulted from things I say - it is not my problem and don't bother me. Everyone read, find and see in any posts (not only mine) whatever (s)he wants to see.

If I would say "Everything just fine" - this may insult other people who doesn't think so :lol:

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Re: Ohio State Tournament, 9/11-9/12

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Hello Mr. Alex:

A few of us after Ohio Tournament discussed wishing to see " MORE CHECKERS " here on forum in the form of games played and positions ( like the game I resigned with you and you demonstrated the draw ). I lost a game miserably with Louis Cowie which this week I will post here on forum with my comments.

At Ohio Tourney we use clocks and record and turn in our games. Several of us discussed it would be nice for other tournaments to have some tourney games recorded and then put on the forum with annotations. This helps get our forum back on track to help all classes of players improve and learn more of this great game.

At Ohio Tournament I had the honor of playing and losing two games to our 3-Move World Champion. Where else can you play the best players in the World than at the Ohio Tournament or at our yearly ACF Nationals ? Many of you enjoy playing " on line " Checkers............. Attend a real tourney and feel the pressure of the clock ticking as you record your games and attempting to stay ahead of your opponent's thinking . It is quite challenging and will improve your game over time.

Mr. Alex you asked and I game my permission for you to post a diagram where I resigned with you and you demonstrated my missed draw. Looking forward to this lesson from you this week here, thanks !

Also thanks to J.R. Smith for posting photos I sent him on his excellent web site :-)

Sincerely:
Alan Millhone, President
American Checker Federation
" JOURNEYMAN CHECKER/DRAUGHTS PLAYER "
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Re: Ohio State Tournament, 9/11-9/12

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Alan Millhone wrote:Mr. Alex you asked and I game my permission for you to post a diagram where I resigned with you and you demonstrated my missed draw.
It's coming :lol:
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Re: Ohio State Tournament, 9/11-9/12

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Alex_Moiseyev wrote:Hi, Mr. Cayton !
Dennis Cayton wrote:As stated numerous times before, I am in favor of constructive efforts to promote the game of Checkers on this forum.
Here is where we agree. But I highlighted the most important word in your statement - constructive. Personally I didn't see yet too many really constructive promotional posts on this forum. And from just very few constructive posts I didn't see any which were converted and resulted into real deal.
Greetings Alex:

Who is going to be the judge as to which ideas are "constructive" and which are not?

It would appear to me that a given promotional idea for Checkers cannot be truly judged as "constructive" with any finality until it bears positive and tangible results.

This is what you referred to as the "real deal" in your words above.

In other words,the true worth of a promotional idea cannot be ultimately judged until its results are known, after it has been conceived, expressed, and carried out.

First, there is the conception of an idea, whose originator honestly believes can lead to "constructive" results.

Next, and hopefully, there is the free expression and active sharing of opinions in regard to that idea.

Next, there is the strategic planning of that idea, in regard to how it is going to be executed.

Finally, there is the active execution of that idea, with the aim in mind that some positive results will occur.

As I see it, the ultimate outcome of a given idea goes through the following evolutionary stages:
(1) Conception
(2) Expression
(3) Planning
(3) Execution.

You and I both agree with the execution of "constructive" efforts to promote the game of Checkers.

But don't you think they should be freely discussed and expressed first, without any type of censorship or sanctions?

In America, one term which is used for the expression and joint sharing of multiple ideas in regard to a particular issue or problem is "brainstorming."

Not all ideas which emerge from the process of "brainstorming" will reach the planning and execution stages.

Consequently, these ideas will never get the opportunity to be proven "constructive."

On the other hand, the active sharing of these ideas stimulates the human creative thinking process, which has the effect of generating and stimulating the conception and expression of further ideas.

In my opinion, this process increases the probability that an idea will emerge and evolve to the planning and execution stages and with the greater lieklihood of being proven to be "constructive."

In previous posts, you have proposed that posters of this forum be fined or charged money for the expression of promotional ideas for Checkers.

I think this is a mistake.

If you define "constructive" in operational and results driven terms, then these ideas cannot be truly judged as "constructive" until they go through the planning and execution stages, and with an evaluation of their results.

In the meantime, I believe these ideas have the right to be freely discussed and shared on this forum, without the imposition of any type of censorship, sanctions, and penalties.

You also wrote:
Alex_Moiseyev wrote:It is not my responsibility and intention as world champion make posts here which DON'T insult everyone.
On the other hand, you have expressed your opposition to what you call "provoke posts."

When you write a post and use words such as "garbage" to refer to promotional ideas which you have judged not to be "constructive", then I consider that to be a "provoke post."

There may be other players who wish to share some of their promotional ideas, but who may be hesitant to do so, in order to avoid having their ideas becoming publicly judged as "garbage."

In my opinion, the use of such a derogatory term can have the effect of inhibiting and stifling the "brainstorming" process which I believe is necessary to generate some ideas which can be ultimately proven to have a positive and "constructive" effect upon the promotion of our game.

You wrote:
Alex_Moiseyev wrote: You shouldn't be insulted from my post because you didn't write anything here either constructive or pseudo promotional. You are OK.
I am OK?

Does this mean that I am innocent of all thought crimes in regard to the promotion of Checkers?

Whew! Boy, am I relieved!

What a kind and benevolent Judge you are!

Setting my personal sarcasm aside, with no offense intended, you are correct when you say that I have not shared any of my own ideas in regard to the promotion of Checkers.

To be honest, I don't know what the answer is.

This is all the more reason to encourage the brainstorming of ideas in regard to the promotion of Checkers.

Doing so can help to relieve the mental "paralysis" some of us may be having, with myself included, in regard to the explortion of potentially constructive ideas for the promotion of our game.

In regard to feeling "insulted", it is hard not to feel "insulted" when you announce in advance that any ideas that I may conceive and express may be judged as "garbage."

This may not be your intent.

But it is the effect.

In closing, and with all due respect, I hope you give some serious thought to the above.

Very Sincerely,

Dennis Cayton
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Re: Ohio State Tournament, 9/11-9/12

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good evening dennis

Unfortunately we have never met before.

Your observations and critisisms are ( to me ) as sound and as profound as a Hellman or Tinsley cook!!

If you play checkers this way also then ... we have been warned!! :?

Greetings

William
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Re: Ohio State Tournament, 9/11-9/12

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Dennis Cayton wrote:Setting my personal sarcasm aside, with no offense intended, you are correct when you say that I have not shared any of my own ideas in regard to the promotion of Checkers.

To be honest, I don't know what the answer is.

This is all the more reason to encourage the brainstorming of ideas in regard to the promotion of Checkers.
See my rtesponse in other topic which I just created.
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