IRISH OPEN /QUALIFER 2010

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Ron King still can bite. He sharpend his teeth for the QT

The Russian proverb says: "For every teeth there is a tool to remove it !"

[john reade]

Qualifier is under way. The Open Section has 24 players. There are 3 ladies and 2 juniors.

More later.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Does anyone knows the final standings in Irish Open 2010 in all 3 Divisions, including points and prize information ???

Shoudl we have the same level of fantastically poor and dummy coverage for QT as well ?

Photos, list of participants, pairing ... very hard to do and almost impossible ... 23rd century technology ... Grrr.

Perhaps next time WCDF should include in bid definition such things as website support and if bidder can't provide it - bid must be rejected.

Regards,

Alex

[Ingo_Zachos]

Yes,

a web-coverage like we have it for the German Open, with daily standings and a few pictures shortly after the event or during the event would be very much appreciated.

There are even pairing programs that provide the possibilty of directly reporting to the internet.
So technically that is not even possible, but in fact quite easy to do.

On the other hand, the tight schedule with 6 games that may each last 4-5 or even more hours a day do not give the players to do that service.
I wonder why there is no assistant referee to do that.

In Prague 2005 we had a less tight schedule, with planned round times and a maximum duration of each game 2 hours, ie 4 hours per round.
So that the players and the referees had enough time to provide Information.
I can understand that the players themselved are to tired too sent any reports.

In Beijing 2008 I had the priviledge to update the results each day, also to make pictures and daily articles for the daily bulletin of the WMSG.

That was very hard, with 8 games a day, myself being a player, and I promise that I will never do that again!

On some days I got no lunch, and some players, even those who knew that I had to update the results, complaint about me being late for the round/game.

Anyway, I strongly recommend for any event to have internet coverage, provided by an assistant referee.

Look at the Women's Worlschampionship in Draughts 100, or the Veterans European Championships in Draughts 100:

http://fmsr.ru/2010/wcw10/results.htm
http://www.dame-online.de/ ("EM -Veteranen Berlin 2010")

Also John Acker showed with his bog, that even reports are possible from a top-event:
http://checkers2010.blogspot.com/

The web-coverage should include:
1. all results at least on a daily basis,
2. a complete table with the standings in all sections
3. possible pairings for the next round,
4. pictures of the event, maybe even videos.

and, as I am very demanding:

5. the games (the referees should keep the score sheets and another assistant should enter it into Aurora Borealis, TurboDambase, or even Checker Board during the rounds. All those fine programs and many more provide possibilities to store and publish the games, and maybe also to add diagrams or to display them all on the net with an interactive html board.) For that purpose a further assistant is badly needed.


Greetinx from cloudy and cold Germany,

Ingo Zachos

[Alex_Moiseyev]

I wonder why there is no assistant referee to do that.

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[Hugh Devlin]

An interesting subject here and some great ideas arising. I'm fully for it, just like I'm all for everyone playing their games with a clock You'd think something that simple would be easy....

The problem I see is that I've spoken about this for the past two years (within the Executive Board) but I've never got anyone to take it on! Personally I'm not sufficiently computer literate, nor am I in Dublin - I'm four hours drive away! I have to rely on someone else to help out here but there's no-one who has answered that call. There is much work to be done, but very few workers. There are people in Dublin who may have the time, but having the necessary equipment, software, and being competent are other issues.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

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Hi, Hugh ! Thanks for clarification and sorry for anger tone of my post. I don't blame anyone except myself - why I spend family time, efforts, nerves, health, money with this ???

I also trying to understand - what checkers / draughts did wrong against God that he punish us so much ???

I also don't understand why business which I am doing 45 years out of 51 has so little respect ...

Alex

[Alex_Moiseyev]

I'm like 11 years out of 23.

Lucky man You had disrespect and wasted your time only 11 years, and I did it 4 times more (45 years) !

[Hugh Devlin]

Overnight standing - R. King & Bashim Durdyev 7pts, S. Mc Cosker & M. Borchetti 6pts, and a number of players on 5 pts that includes Myles Hannigan. I'm told Ron King played Amangul Durdyeva this morning and won both games. Bashim Durdyev won both games against his brother Bagtiyar, while Mc Cosker and Hannigan drew their games. Amangul came back in the second round to get a win and draw against an Irish player.

The Womens event is a three way contest. Kim Willis lost 3-1 against Jan Mortimer, and also lost 3-1 against Toyeva Hermangul (Turknenistan).

The youth event has just two players, both from Turkmenistan - Maksat Durdyev, Gochakov Gochmyrat.

[tommyc]

Hi ..........Everybody not back long from Dublin ,very tired but glad to get back,just waiting for the wife to get back from Spain.Jan and Kim were good company and Kims having her birthday in Dublin.I t was great to meet Hoja and the Durdyeyev family again (all 7 or 8 of them)they had intended playing the Open also but got held in transit somewhere ....................also nice to meet all the rest from all around the world that id not seen before,Italy,Germany,Israel,and especially Filip Kareta and Jaroslav Tichy from Czech who we had met in Prague in 2005 very nice lads.Unfortunately Filip had an operation to shorten one of his legs recently and was on crutches. Joker Brian Kilgour from Scotland remarking during the presentation "i never seen a player getting presented with a cup and A PAIR OF CRUTCHES BEFORE?? lol.

QUALIFYING TOURNAMENT DUBLIN 2010 Referee John Reade assisted by Graham Young........

It was certainly one of the most peaceful Irish Opens id ever seen,not a scowl or row to be got.

Some results..................I noted some games off the playing sheets before i came away today.Frank Moran had the Black Hole 1014 2217 913 with the guy from Israel Mr Shabshai and was losing the weak red side in the 1st game when he played the wrong order.

Ron King and Amangul had the Gemini 2 1015 2319 1116 Amangul played the 2420 attack (see my book page 60-61)and had Ron in lots of trouble in the first.....on the rack!!

The two Czech lads has the Wilderness 2 913 2318 1116 Filip handling the white pieces in the 1st game but Jaroslav may have played into a pp loss "im not sure of my notes on this" but however I think Filip may have allowed him back into the pp draw some moves later? I dont know how it finished as we went home shortly after.


Results over the phone from Shane and Myles@the B/B..........these results are provisional as you can imagine as the "bhoys" have had a hard 5 days so far.

Ron King must have endured against Amangul and got 7pts
Mr Borgetti from Italy 7pts

Bag. Durdeyev 6pts
Shane on 6pts
Myles on 5.....
Garrett Owens 5
Filip on 5
John Webster 5
Jim Morrison 4

JAN 3-1 Kim

Irish Open.......................Referee Jim Somers ably assisted by Peader.!!

In the Irish Open Ron was really in a league of his own from the start John McElhone really the only man to take him on and missing a win to boot.Think he got 28pts agree draw in the last 2 rds i believe?

2. John McElhone (Ireland)23
3. Michael Shabshai (Israel)23
4. Filip Kareta (22 years old ! - Czech Republic)23
5. Igor Martynov ( Germany)23
6.Shane McCosker 22

As far as i remember the scores were something like that.

I can well understand your frustration at so little news coming out and there have been some very good suggestions as how to fix it in future events.Hopefully we can do something in that direction.

[Bernard Coll]

Just a question. Does the WCDF have a ruling on players' being in a designated area after their first game is completed? I believe a player vanished from the hall yesterday on completion of first game, possibly gone to their bedroom, while playing partner was seen having a smoke outside main door. Surely this anomally should not be permitted??!!

[Hugh Devlin]

4.12 Players are not allowed to leave the `playing venue` without permission from the tournament controller. The playing venue is defined as the playing area, rest rooms, refreshment area, area set aside for smoking and other places as designated by the tournament controller.

[tommyc]

Hi Bern, first of all congrats on winning the senior section Irish Open well done and well deserved indeed.
Apparently two of the ladies had a bit of a spat so John Reade has his work cut out even on the first day........i did caution that a good strong hand would be needed in this high charged everything at stake Qualifing Ty,i surely didnt expect it would be the ladies who would be kicking up some dust first day.LOL


(There is much work to be done, but very few workers)

There are two kinds of people in this world:::::::::::::::::::

There are those who do the work and then there are those who take the credit.!!!!

[Ingo_Zachos]

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There are two kinds of people in this world:::::::::::::::::::

There are those who do the work and then there are those who take the credit.!!!!

Very true, Tommy, but as for the players, I can understand that in a tournament there are "little things" that can cause many troubles, so plz don't judge too hard.
You might be the next to be spoilt by a camera, noises, spectators, the sunlight, grunting (actually your oppont has a bad cough) etc.
Not to forget that you might be rightly irritated by your own bad play, as I am most of the times.

So I, having been a referee myself, prefer to handle the complaints of the players like a confessional secret.
It is a matter between the parties and the referee who has the hard task to decide, but not a public affair.

Sometimes a complaint is made rightly, and sometimes (quite) wrongly, but each complaint has to be taken seriously.

I am confident that any referee with expirience will handle complaints seriously, but with discretion.
And let's leave it that way, Tommy.
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As for leaving the playing area, I don't know if the referee was informed and allowed that.
In general, it should be prohibited, and the offender should recieve a warning.
If he had taken advice (from another player, books, a PC) during that "expedition" (s)he may also be declared to lose the game and banned from the tournament.

If it was not on purpose, but say, to take some fresh air, or to take some medication from the hotel room, a warning should do.

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Regarding the QT:

Thx Hugh and Tommy for delivering details.
We all appreciate that.

So Ron King on the surge again, but only one day so far, and others, like Borghetti and Bashim Durdyev close to him, and still a few favorites with good chances.
On the 1st day actually, you don't win a tournament, but you can lose it.
Baghtiyar Durdyev and his sister Amangul might have been the first to learn this bitter lesson.

As for the Women:
How many rounds do they play? Is it double round robin?
Looks like the 3rd round between Jan Mortimer and Hugmangul Toyeva might be crucial.

24 looks like a good turnout, only Beijing with free accomodation and meals had more players.
Who is missing from the final nominations?

I heard that the two Welsh players are out, but there must be more, ppl. Jack Francis and Wilma Branch (women) and Chuck Freemann.

Good luck everybody, have a nice time, and man, I now really wish I could have made it.


Ingo Zachos

[Hugh Devlin]

After 3rd Round - King 10pts, Borghetti 9pts, Bagyiyar Durdyev, M. Holmes & S Mc Cosker 8pts, Hannihan & Owens 7pts etc...