SUPERVISION OF MAJOR TOURNAMENTS

[tommyc]

SUPERVISION OF MAJOR TOURNAMENTS

In light of recent experiences I think this is an area that needs looked at by all draughts Federations and Associations etc and some proposals drawn up to be examined to be put in place for future major Tys.This can happen at almost any major Ty and it is for the benefit of all Tys that a solution be found.

I outline some ideas below........................

1.Some kind of door security be provided by the Ty organisers or other interested parties.

2.That this job be taken out of the hands of referees or controllers.


3.That such security be part of the bid for a major national or international event.


Any other proposals,ideas welcome.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Any other proposals,ideas welcome.

Players must be firmly attach to chairs and lock here. Only Controller can unlock them if they want to stand up.

[tommyc]

Best idea so far..............does it work in Russia?

[william]

Tommy ,

It's time to wake up now

[tommyc]

You are right Billy something has to be sorted out.

[william]

I say let the players get up !!

sure they can come over and look at my opening game , mid game , and endgame if they like during the whole ty , ... if they really want to lose then that's their problem!!

as far as i'm concerned , I feel that we shoiuld be allowed to get up from chair , but there should be a zone limit that cannot be breached

[tommyc]

Billy im not talking abt getting off the chair..............im talking door supervision........pple leaving the playing room etc.

[BillyBoy]

I think im not sure but ACF rules a opponent can be followed by a offciall if instructed to do so by the other opponent? If that is the case then its no harm if someone had to go to the bathroom etc. Billy

[Ingo_Zachos]

Hi Tommy,

the WMSG had security service, but I think that event was a potential attractive target for attacks.

I don't see that anyone would attack the US nationals, the Irish Open or the WCDf QT so far.

Let's face it: these are, so far, unimportant events to the rest of the world.
And that is no wonder, as the PR work is anything but good.

But probably you a referring to the problem of cheating by consulting a book or a PC.
I would recommend to define a playing area in which no checker books or electronic devices are allowed, others then the one the arbiters and orgainzers use.
If someone is caught having these, he has to hand the to the arbiter and has to be warned.
If he is caught reading that book or if that electronic device is not switched off, (S)he should lose the game and be banned from the event and maybe for a longer time by the WCDF or his federation.

The toilets and the way to the toilets must be included in the playving area, as well as a place to get drinks durng the game.
Before and after each round a referee shlould examine the toilets and during the rounds a few random inspection walks and in case of suspicion against a given player an inconspicuous supervision should is called for.

I see no reason to forbid standing up or moving in ther playing area, as long as the players behave and do not try to consult other players, which is of course not allowed.


There is a problem that in 3 move it may happpen that a players uses the rest between the games to cvonsult a book or a PC to know the best continuation.

Here either a system that plays only one game per round like the Italian system should be used or the rules must clearly say that a player may not leave the playing area before he finished the last game in the given round, but why?

BTW: It seems earlier rules then the WCDF rules also did not contain that rule.

A door inspection is only helpful for security reasons.
In order to avoid cheating inspection walks, supervision and a manageable, well defined playing area are the means, and maybe an electronic scanner to avoid radio communication.


Greetinx from slighlty rainy Dortmund, Germany

Ingo Zachos

[Alan Millhone]

Hi Tommy:

A small book like " Walker's Three move guide" could easily fit into one's coat pocket or in a purse,etc. Luckily at our ACF Nationals this has not been a problem (to my knowledge).

Time between games in 3 move can be an issue.

Personally after one side of opening is played I would like to see players take a stretch IN playing room, then make say 6 or 7 moves into other sie of opening ======= then ask for a bathroom break. I realize due to body functions this cannot always be the case................ but a thought. One person that always leaves the room should raise eyebrows.

Leaving the playing room for say ten minutes before other side of card is played is not acceptible to me.

If someone is caught cheating, they should be banned.......... Period.

Sincerely:
Alan Millhone, President
American Checker Federation

[tommyc]

Just to make my position clear;;; I posted this subject purely as there have been concerns in this direction,i wont be the author of any changes nor do i want to be.Most of the posts so far are outlining what can or may happen to cause bad feeling,some are even bloody good budding political speeches.The object of the post is to bring about change to address concerns, for that to happen, and to see if there is the will to do so.We all agree im sure that it does need some kind of strategy but please offer some hard wired ideas.We all know change comes slow slow slow in the draughts and checker world,will this be more of the same?/,............heres hoping im wrong.!!

Perfection is nothing to be ashamed of but its so damned inconveinent at times.LOL

[Ingo_Zachos]

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If someone is caught cheating, they should be banned.......... Period.

Sincerely:
Alan Millhone, President
American Checker Federation

Right, but leaving a room after a game is not cheating at all.
So where is the problem?

Are you afraid that your opponent finds a refutation for that ballot in 10 minutes?
And how should (s)he know which line in this ballot you are choosing?
Can you tell me?
There are so many possibilities to vary early sometimes.
All of the time.
Do you think (s)he can "out-prepare" you in 10 minutes or even 2 or 3 hours?
In openings that have been tested over decades??
Or that (s)he reads your mind?

(S)He can't read your mind.
And hence the possibility of any "preparation" is by nature quite limited.
Why are you afraid?

I think there is a lot of suspicion in this discussion.

Tommy asked me what I was indicating when I said that the issue (of a 18 year old leaving for her room) should be better kept confidential by him, her opponent and the referees.

I am shocked that no-one does think of the possibility that a woman in that age sometimes has to leave to change her clothes as something happend.
And that this can be a confidential matter.
Am I the only checker play that knows the facts of life?

So to discuss that matter on the ACF Forum was a disgrace and showed a level of suspicion and prejeduce and ignorance that I did not expect from my friends or the referees.

She should have the right to leave between games.
PERIOD.
Anyone should have.
PERIOD.

No further discussion needed.

May I ask the referee to check if any of the moves Tommy Canning makes is written in his own book?
And provided if he does, may I ask to forfeit him, as he prepared unfairly by using a book?
Of course not!
He had evry right to write it and to play that line.

You see, there must be a limit to suspicion.
And the limit is that in a GAME no-one may ask another player about a move, or start to look it up in books.

That is cheating.

But after a game that is allowed.
PERIOD.

[Bernard Coll]

Ingo, I disagree entirely with your post. There should be strictly no access to books, electronic devices, etc., until BOTH games are completed in 3 move competitions.

[Ingo_Zachos]

Why?

[tommyc]

Ingo as far as im concerned there was no cheating................but it did throw Kim off her game completely,she got upset, as yu do.