SUPERVISION OF MAJOR TOURNAMENTS

[tommyc]

2 cells will get you a real dandy answer ....;;;;;;;;;;;

HEHEH I DOUBT YOU VE GOT 2 AFTER YOUR FIRST ANSWER..LOLOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[waynegober]

"HEHEH I DOUBT YOU VE GOT 2 AFTER YOUR FIRST ANSWER..LOLOOOOOOOOOOOOL"

I got to checking the math.... 1 cell used, 2 needed.... total of 3

You are correct ! It is genetically impossible for an Okie..

On a more serious note, I have played in many tournaments and although this was an unfortunate incident, it is not something "imo" that needs fixing.

I only saw something of this nature one other time and it wasn't the exact circumstance.
Probably a pre-tournament announcement on leaving the playing room for whatever reason, would be all that is needed. Just lay the common sense ground rules at the pre-tournament meeting or post them on a wall near directors table.

Just for interest sake, the one incident that I saw was at a state tournament not too far from my home state of Oklahoma. This particular tournament, they drew an opening for everyone to play each round. Every division played the same opening. I had finished a round pretty fast for some reason and at the time "quit for 6 years yippee" I smoked. So, I was outside having a smoke. Another player came out of the playing room and said they had drawn the opening for the next round. He told us the opening coming up the next round and one player took off to his room like a scalded cat. I didn't figure a few minutes of cramming would help the "3 brain cell okie" much (also I don't like cheating at checkers, lol) , so I just casually mentioned the danger of drawing in advance while folks were still playing the previous round and others able to go look it up. The tournamnet director (I overheard him) said, "Anyone who didn't like the way they ran tournaments didn't have to come back". I have not been back but did manage to get 2nd that year.

[waynegober]

If I am paired with Alex and am also allowed 30 minutes to study the opening, I am still a huge underdog with very small chance of victory. Think about it. Most openings have several variations that are sound. Each of those probably has more than one way to play the endgame after the clearing (if I make it that far). The small amount of study would probably make matters worse, I would remember enough to get to the midgame on pp lines (this is questionable also) and Alex would have superior knowledge of the landing as well as superior crossboard abilties. So, study in the middle of rounds is highly overated ! I don't study much at home so why ruin a good thing at the tournament lol.

Also, I have noticed, it doesn't really matter much if a tournament is swiss with repairing in last round only or repairing every round ect. It doesn't matter if it is round Robin.... The same names finish at the top.... because the cream rises! There are at times minor exceptions but for the most part the names everybody knows are the likely ones at the top of the list. Same goes for 4 round scoring or game scoring at a National... if game scoring... Alex will play more aggressive and win more games than anybody else, just a matter of a minor adjustment for the "Champ"

wayne

[Alex_Moiseyev]

and am also allowed 30 minutes to study the opening

I need 5 minutes for successful cheating

On serious note ... yes, I agree with Wayne - pre-annoucement on meeting before ty started, and maybe putting it on the wall near referee table would resolve conflicts up to 95% which cover all situations where people don't cheat but don't know the rules.

5% goes to sitiations when people have intention to cheat. In this case nothing much could help - I guarantee you ! Only "watching neighboor" could help but a little.

But putting everyne in unwelcome, uncomfortable situation when everyone suspects others can danger things and ruin much more.

Cheating is a human nature, we never can stop it completely 100%. Whoever does this will be punish by Lord - it is HIS competency and responsibility for SUPERVISION !

[tommyc]

GREAT..........Alex,then we can get the LORD to supervise the next Tournament,so problem solved?

I hear what yur saying Wayne and agree there are umpteen lines,problem is its the emotional damage that Kim suffered making it difficult to concentrate{even numbers make Alex have nightmares]thats also a big part of the collateral there doesnt actually have to have been any cheating to trigger the negetive response.Its quite easy to understand that.

[waynegober]

Tommy,

I , too , hear what you are saying and don't minimize the effect of this unfortunate
incident. However, more stringent enforcement across all tournaments is not really needed, in my opinion. Couple of points here.... Kim could have kept a closer eye on here opponent.... I do always.... Second ... part of playing this game is to control emotions during play... I have lost too many times by letting my emotions get away during a game so I am preaching to myself here also. I have found on the whole that tournament checker players want everything done fairly but they do all want to win.

Any time a player needs a drink or restroom break while playing me, they can do so. Preparation to win comes before the tournaments not during lol.

I also do not believe the young lady had any intention of cheating and probably didn't think anything about it. I am for Kim and want her to do well so....next time Kimmy...
dont let anything distract you from the task at hand and remember.... a few minutes with a computer or a book will not help an opponent who thinks they need that help.

If the opponent is so afraid of you that they think they need to look at a book ect. then half of the battle is won !!!!

This post is posted with the best intentions and hope that this all might be forgotten and on with checkers !!

wayne

[tommyc]

I agree with alota stuff you said there Wayne,and i remember when they put up the first set of "traffic lights" in our town it saved alota accidents.Prevention is much better than solution!!

From a very icy,below zero white snow clad Ireland.We may have to cancel Rd 4 of our Ty for tomorrow nite? Bah........ more rating points lost!!!

[Alex_Moiseyev]

1.Some kind of door security be provided by the Ty organisers or other interested parties.

2.That this job be taken out of the hands of referees or controllers.

3.That such security be part of the bid for a major national or international event.

I think we can try this first in some National event, maybe Ireland or other European country, and see - how it works.

[john reade]

Why not USA?

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Why not USA?

Idea came from Europe - they should have privelegy.

[john reade]

I see.

[Ingo_Zachos]

Thommy,

what's the idea of supervision?

We have no secutity problems.

And cheating can not be avoided or mininized by that action.

Plz give me reasons for that drastic measures.
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A rule to forbid to leave the playing area during the rounds if it is 3-move would indeed be more efficient, but I doubt that this rule is necessary, as in the short time between the game, and given the scope of the game a play based on a "preparation" of say 30 minutes would not make a difference that could change the outcome of the game.
It is different during a game, but note that here the rules do not allow to walk out and even restict the right to move freely in the palying area.

BTW:
the current rules allow the arbiter to inspect the toilets and possible "critical" areas even today, as indeed the referee is already a supervisior.

But he is no body guard or private eye, and should not try to implement a tournament regime of supervison and superstition and suspicion.

Because I believe that indeed there are more suspicios thoughts then there is real cheating.


Greetinx from cold and snow-covered Dortmund, Germany

Ingo

[kim willis]

Ingo,
All i can say you weren't there so how do you know what happened.
And another thing why don't you just shut up.......

kim

[Ingo_Zachos]

Kim,

I am sorry, but what are you taking about?

And why are you demanding me to shut up?

This is a thread abt. the idea of having supervision at the door(s).


And why should I have not the right to write abt. it?

And what do you mean that "you weren't there" ?

I played in some tournaments, some abroad, some in Germany.

So I am there as well as you are and Thommy and many others...


Greetinx.

Ingo

[tommyc]

Its simply an area and a problem that arises every so often, so in good faith it needs looking at and fixing.Experiences like this can be very off putting even for strong world class players,anything thats playing with your mind is serious so i think its worth looking at.Prevention is much better than cure.