SUPERVISION OF MAJOR TOURNAMENTS

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Prevention is much better than cure.

Prevention of what ?

With my 44 years experience playing checkers and 32 years life experience from Russia - I can writte you a big and long list of many, many ways how to cheat.

Do you want to prevent all of them ?

If yes, then I'll send you a second "advance" list

Rules are already there as well, as common sense. All we need - start using them.

You have to understand one simple thing - all your actions will not minimize cheating even by inch, all these actions will only punish innocent people - rest of players which I beleive is majority.

We are not fighting against bad people, we support and help good people.

Alex

[kiwinurse]

I think you are wrong Alex,and steps can be taken,sensible steps to stop cheating.Like 5 minutes between games.Like banning going up to the bedroom.Yes,cheats will still try,but this makes it difficult for them.
It is up to the tournament director to enforce rules,whether its a world qualifier or just a small match.If they take your stance ,and say "Oh well,its going to happen anyway,why fight it!'Then theres no point going to any games,and what kind of example are we showing to the press.?
Every inconsistancy should be addressed,so that our game is once more excellent,and honourable.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Jan,

there is only one way to prove pudding pudong - eat it. We can try this using democratic way - asking on the meeting majority number of players to accept this. If most people want it - I don't have objections. But I can predict - this will not stop cheating but most innocent players will be victimised and punished.

We are not living in perfect world, lets not make it harder.

[Dennis Cayton]

But I can predict - this will not stop cheating but most innocent players will be victimised and punished.

Greetings Alex Moiseyev:

Your statement above makes no sense to me.

How do "most innocent players", if they are truly innocent, become "victimized" and "punished?"

Please explain.

Thanks in advance.

Best Wishes,

Dennis Cayton

[Danny_Alvarez]

Mr Cayton, I think Alex statement makes perfect sense and what he is saying is that most players are innocent of cheating but if we introduce restrictive measures to avoid or deter cheating all we will achieve is suffering to most players.
I tend to agree with Alex, having said that I have never played or attended a tournament.

Cheers
D. Alvarez

[Dennis Cayton]

Mr Cayton, I think Alex statement makes perfect sense and what he is saying is that most players are innocent of cheating but if we introduce restrictive measures to avoid or deter cheating all we will achieve is suffering to most players.
I tend to agree with Alex, having said that I have never played or attended a tournament.

Cheers
D. Alvarez

Greetings Danny Alvarez:

I highlighted your word "suffering" above in red.

What type of "suffering" are you talking about?

What rules or "restrictive measures" would personally cause you to "suffer" during a tournament?

Although I have not played in a tournament in several years, I personally have never experienced any degree of "suffering" by following any of the tournament rules which were in place.

In addition, I have not read of any serious rule proposals in this topic thread which would cause me to experience any "suffering" if they were adopted in the next tournament I attend.

When I obey the speed limits while driving my car, I am not "suffering."

Nor am I being "victimized."

Instead, I am obeying the traffic laws and the "rules of the road" which govern our speed limits.

I do not become subject to "punishment" until I break a speed limit and receive a ticket.

Obeying and following the rules is not the same thing as "punishment."

Best Wishes,

Dennis Cayton

[kiwinurse]

Yep Dennis,you are dead right.Its more a punishment to the "innocents" when the cheats are allowed to prosper.And if everyone turns a blind eye and winks about it,what hope is there for a decently run tournament.

[Danny_Alvarez]

I don't want to get into an argument about semantics, but (using your analogy) if we were to change the road rules where you can only drive at 20 k's an hour ( or miles an hour in your case) and you can only refuel on even numbered days, or you cannot stop anywhere to go to the loo till you reach your destination, you can surely see how this changes could cause if not suffering a lot of stress on motorists.

As to what rules would do this you can either read previous posts or use your imagination. We should always put the game first.
Jan are we talking about a specific form of cheating? Surely you don't think most people cheat.
Cheers
D. Alvarez

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Although I have not played in a tournament in several years

In the Bird Shop customer is looking for speaking bird.

Salesman showed him 1st bird and said: "This bird can speak English with big vocabulary, price -$100"

Then he showed the 2nd bird and said: "This bird can speak 3 lanugagues and answer on your questions, price - $250"

Finally he showed a bird and said: "Can't speak at all, price - $1000"

Customer was curious and asked:

- Why this bird is so expansive if it's not even speak ?

- Because it teaches first two birds to speak !

[john reade]

We already have the situation Danny describes in Britain. Namely road humps. These force you to travel at 20mph at all times of the day and night. Everybody has to suffer including the law-abiding.

[john reade]

Regarding Alex's story about the birds speaking English. Speaking English and understanding English are 2 different things. I can speak a tolerable amount of German but I have problems understanding what German people say in reply. Particularly when they speak fast.

[liam stephens]

Yes, let's have a free for all on the motorways and no speed restrictions in built up areas.
Result - carnage !

There were over 2000 road accident fatalities in Great Britain during 2009.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

There were over 2000 road accident fatalities in Great Britain during 2009.

Because of low speed and suffering conditions on the road ... correct ?

Statistic shows that not having at all (full freedom !) limitation speed signs on the road do not generate more accidents. But using cell phones and anything which takes our attention out (suffering) - is more danger.

Without any limitation on the road, the system fix itself and drivers usually find an oprimum regime of speed - due to road and weather conditions

Due to human nature, there are always some drivers who will drive 100-120 mph, with or without signs.

Anyway ... If bank is open and noone is on duty - ALL people will rush in and steal something ???

Don't think too bad about people - sign of sick mind. And if 9 people are good and one - bad, we still can't arrest all of them in order to capture bad guy.

Havinga good and long driving experience I can confirm, that the best sign I ever saw:

"Drive slowly when necessary"

[liam stephens]

Many of the accidents that we hear about are due to high speeding.

Anyhow, one good result of the big freeze up - many of the gas guzzlers have decided to stay at home and keep off the roads. Nature has a way of ensuring her own ends.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

many of the gas guzzlers have decided to stay at home and keep off the roads.

I don't worry about those gas guzzlers, I am worry about those unfortunate folks, who still HAS to drive with no choice and they are getting suffered every day.

Why you don't think about them ??? They are majority. I can easy imagine myself among them.

Alex