SUPERVISION OF MAJOR TOURNAMENTS

[Jay H]

Why you don't think about them ??? They are majority. I can easy imagine myself among them.

Alex

I think Liam handles it like this.....

Liam doing his bit to save the planet

Regards

Jay H

[kiwinurse]

Wonderful picture of Liam.So Alex,time to get on your bike!

[kiwinurse]

To answer Danny, no Danny i dont think most people cheat,just a very small group,who seem to get away with it,and who put the game in disrepute.Eventually people will give up in disgust and not attend tournaments if the tournament controllers turn a blind eye to it,and shrug it off.Its doing the game untold damage.
Im not talking about the extreme measures that Tommy and Wayne Gober laughed about on here. Thats just plain ridiculous.But ordinary sensible rules,like a 5 minute break only between a 3 move game.Noone has time to cheat then.

[tommyc]

Im not laughing............i want something done about it.

[Bernard Coll]

Not surprisingly this thread has again gone off topic, but this time with with a humorous twist . I note that Jan has proposed that two head to head opponents in a 3 move competition cannot leave the playing room for any more than 5 minutes after the completion of the first game. I personally would endorse this proposal. Problem I forsee could be that an opponent with dubious intentions would make a sudden dash for the exit immediately on completion of their first game to their accommodation, possibly to enhance their now limited time on referral to whichever information they may have regarding 2nd game. I feel that if Jans' worthy proposal was ever introduced to our HONOURABLE? game, that speed ramps should be deployed on both sides of entry/exit to playing area. This would surely alert the controlling officers that something not becoming of our game just MAY be about to unfold. I am also aware that these measures come with a cost unaffordable to local tourney organisers. Possibly the WCDF could be approached on the idea of introducing this rule and coughing up the money for the implementation of these measures? SHURE, didn't their moneys used to be OURS?

[kiwinurse]

Bernard i think the 5 minute rule could be enforced ,first by the referree,then whoever plays.5 minutes is enough time for a toilet stop,or a quick smoke outside,if people want to take longer for the smoke,their opponent could go with them.acoording to the WCDF rules,the clock can be started if the ooponents not back in time.
The trouble is people are far too nice at tournies,and dont like to cause unpleasantness by inforcing laws.But something has to be done,and rules enforced.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

10 minutes break is a good approach and I am backing this proposal.

Personally I need few mins to drink water/coffee, restroom activities and smoke. 10 minutes covers everything. Like in Ron King case (with medications) players should be allowed to go to the room or outside of playing room with official companion.

I am not backing proposals that everyone should firmly sit in their chairs until end of game/round and can't stand. This is ridiculous.

I like cars and I like bikes, the only thing I don't like - when someone tells me what to do. Here, in United States, we are very sensitive with this. As famous American quote says - there are only two things which I HAVE TO DO: pay taxes and die.

10 minutes break rule can be written in BY-LAWS or organisers of event can include it in original reglamentation document, both should work. I will try to introduce this rule in some states and ACF National & world title matches.

I also would like to write something to avoid "referee cheating and unexperience" which usually happened more often than "player cheating". In addition - for WCDF events they (WCDF) have to approve all nominees for "Referee commity" - main referee, refferee assistants etc. Having unexperience referees makes much more damages than anything else.

All members of referee commitee have to read rules BEFORE event started, not AFTER accident happened.

Alex

[Alex_Moiseyev]

In order to be accurate we should say that our conversation about 10 minutes break is off top and not part of this topic at all. Originally Tommy, who opened this tread, wrote:

SUPERVISION OF MAJOR TOURNAMENTS

In light of recent experiences I think this is an area that needs looked at by all draughts Federations and Associations etc and some proposals drawn up to be examined to be put in place for future major Tys.This can happen at almost any major Ty and it is for the benefit of all Tys that a solution be found.

I outline some ideas below........................

1.Some kind of door security be provided by the Ty organisers or other interested parties.

2.That this job be taken out of the hands of referees or controllers.


3.That such security be part of the bid for a major national or international event.


Any other proposals,ideas welcome.

Tommy is asking ideas and here is my constructive idea regarding his proposals: lets put them into garbage can. Any objections / improvements ?

All after all, we should still say thanks to Tommy, because finally we comeup with something valuable.

[tommyc]

At last we are having constructive "ideas".........hmm that is wonderful after 2 weeks of hhaaaaaaaa and he heheheh from all the big Kids in class.Does this mean a solution is in sight or just that we have learned just how big mouthed some of our compatriots are and ;;;;;;;;;;;can YU pick out the ones who were the school bullies?/I can.

[tommyc]

PREVENTION IS BETTER .........................

Following a night of shame for football at the Stade de France, three key figures should (but almost certainly will not) have suffered sleepless nights: Thierry Henry, Michel Platini and Sepp Blatter. Ireland were not only cheated by former Arsenal forward Henry, but by the two most powerful men in world football. But despite the sense of injustice pervading football, Fifa should stand firm against any movement for a replay of France v Ireland.
Henry, as my colleague Mark Ogden says, has tarnished his reputation as an honest footballer with his blatant act of cheating on Wednesday night. His conscience may have prompted him to admit to his handball afterwards, but no apology has been forthcoming. It is the very least Ireland, who dominated and outplayed an appalling France, deserve.
Maybe public anger will eventually force Henry to say sorry, but it will be hard to erase the image of him shamelessly running to the French crowd, arms outstretched, in celebration of William Gallas’s goal.
Henry’s handball was also yet another piece of evidence to expose the folly of Michel Platini’s opposition to video technology. In my previous blog, I asked whether it would take a major event to finally force Uefa and Fifa to take the heads out of the sand and allow video replays for contentious moments. Now we will find out, but I would suggest there would have been more chance of it being looked at again had it been France on the receiving end. Rather than repeat what I have argued previously, I will again just ask Platini: what is really killing football – cheats or technology?


Of course no steps were taken until ENGLAND were denied a Goal in the 2010 WORLD CUP now FIFA have introduced umpires behind each goal line in the UEFA Cup.

I suppose the same will apply to our game nothing will be done bc/ "it was only a Kim" so lets wait till it happens to an IMPORTANT player in a BIG IMPORTANT TY till we do something same as FIFA did.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Tommy, saying "something valuable" I mentioned 10 minutes break proposal submitted by Jan. My proposal to put your proposals into garbage can - different story. Our conversation about one thing ended with something else - not bad at all.

Can you propose something else and we start a new tread ?

[tommyc]

This is one idea.............are there any others?

Its never good to pick from "one".[well its not really a pick then is it?]

Any ideas are welcomed and Jan has offered a"10 in break",would this suffice to deal with the problem?.

[kiwinurse]

I actually said a 5 minute break,but for smoking people a 10 minute break outside with opponent keeping an eye on them,

[Alex_Moiseyev]

This is one idea.............are there any others?

Tommy, if you read my posts with full attention - you would find alot of ideas Maybe even you have to print them and put on the wall.

Anyway - here is another one.

Target (problem) - incompetency and unexperience referees.

1) I propose that Main referee of QT and World Title Matches should have an experience to be a Main Referee of 1 or 2 National level events. If country host doesn't have such people - WCDF should hellp them with this.

Referee Assistant also should have exeperience running events of high calibre.

2) All accidents / conflicts happened at Major WCDF events must be documented and later reviewed by WCDF Board with posssible sanctions taken not only against players, but also against Referee if necessary.

I would like you consider this absolutely seriously, because referee mistake/incompetency can damage and ruin much more things than player mistake.

For Tommy ... in football game what happened more often - referee or player fault ?

[tommyc]

For Tommy ... in football game what happened more often - referee or player fault ?

The SYSTEM is the fault...........the big wigs in football has at long last [after many years been told] done something...now its our turn!!!

For Alex..........its not the referees that are "supposed" to be cheating, why drag them down?.