GAYP QT 2011 in Italy.

[champion374]

alex i am lost dead line for what?please tell me

[Ingo_Zachos]

To clarify the Informations given by Alex:

Most of the given informations are quite accurate.
They are copied from the bid the FID made to the WCDF.

However, his last remark

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This is not a part of bid, but my comments.

It seems like not everyone will get a free room . WCDF will determine how prize money and free rooms are to be distributed. Earlier registration make sense ! As far as I remember - April 1st is dealdine ?

that there would be a deadline which is April the 1st is not accurate, but, to do him justice, he also pointed out in his post, that this is his own comment, not from any official WCDF source.

Also we will not allocate the free rooms on a "first in, first out" basis, but simply have not yet determined a method to allocate the free rooms at all.
Note that the method will not be determined by or on the ACF Forum, but by the WCDF executive board that is already discussing that matter. In my mind we need a method based on either titles and ratings or former QT results, and a few rooms to be given to referees/staff members, but that is just my personal opinion.

May I also ask that persons that received emails from the WCDF or WCDF board members after they rightly asked for information to respect the privacy of emails, and not to publish them on any forum, especially if (s)he knows that it contains emails sent from a third person that may not have agreed to a publication yet.

We are always willing to help anyone with his/her questions, but plz keep the individual answers given to you confident and respect private policy.

Also you can see very well with this example, that misunderstandings and confusion are likely if letters are quoted as if they were offical information, and own remarks are added, even if this is indicated.

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Why all the secrecy Ingo??? we do realize details are being finalized, if any info you give us is not 100% accurate, nobody will crucify you for it.

Why not share with everyone>? we want more people to attend why not tell them and make them want to attend???

cheers
Danny

Danny, sorry to contradict your statement, but details are not fully finalized at all, or
is the refree determined? ,
has the schedule been made? ,
the allocation of the free rooms?,
interpreters?
price money allocation?
etc.,
etc.
All these details are however, already worked on, but not yet (fully) worked out.

Note that the fact that there are free rooms, but not for all players, and that we need to distribute them, already caused a grave misunderstanding with the dead lines and how they are allocated on this forum.

We do not keep anything secret, as Alex and others already know about the full details of the FID bid.
It is just that we have to work out more details like the schedule, the referees, internet coverage, the GA, how to distribute free rooms etc. before we can give a progam to you.

And we do not publish each email or letter (which would not be legal btw., or is this wikileaks?), but there are informations on the WCDF site, there is an official WCDF communication, and finally, you may simply ask us by email, for instance ask me:
nimzo@gmx.de
or any other WCDF executive board member.

Note, Danny , that this is not the official site of the WCDF, which is this one:
http://wcdf.wz.cz/index.htm

You see, we do not hide, but rather publish what is finalized, which the question of the free rooms, the price funds, the staff, the schedule, transmission of games, the GA, etc. simply aren't (yet).

We can, however, confirm the date, the venue, and also provide with informations about the rules, byelaws, room rates, contacts etc.


Greetinx from cloudy Germany,

Ingo Zachos,
WCDF executive board member

[Jay H]

Why not just do without the free rooms except maybe for the 1 referee and put the money into the prize fund? If you win you get more money to pay for your rooms. This is a pretty small tournament why do you need staff there? I think this is all blown out of proportion for a qualifying tournament.

AAAAHHHH YES !!!!
After many moons, young Josh returns to "stir up the pot".... ...

with an interesting point.

Great to see another young American still interested in the game....

Jay "wondering" H

[Ingo_Zachos]

... This is a pretty small tournament why do you need staff there? I think this is all blown out of proportion for a qualifying tournament.

It is supposed to be the top event of the year.
And a bigger turnout is targeted then 2010.
Some had complaints about 2010, so we can do better.
Don't you rememeber?
Now we have a chance to find stuff for internet presentation, referee, etc., and may offer free accomodation to find some qualified persons.

And it is the hotel that offers the free rooms.
I am afraid not to use that offer does not increase the price fund, Josh.

Greetinx from old Europe,

Ingo Zachos

[Ingo_Zachos]

On the other hand, players who have much smaller chances of winning the big prizes would still have to shell out for travel, lodging, food, etc. That's quite an investment, especially for non-European players.

That's right.
And was right for all QT's. Travelling to Barbados or Las Vegas was not cheap for Europeans or Africans as well.
Only the WMSG in Beijing 2008 made an exception, though the flight costs still had to be covered.

That was why it is essential to know the venue and the date as soon as possible.
In order to save, find sponsors and to make arrangements like booking early flights.


Greetinx from old Europe,

ingo Zachos

[Jay H]

On the other hand, players who have much smaller chances of winning the big prizes would still have to shell out for travel, lodging, food, etc. That's quite an investment, especially for non-European players.

Jay H

[Ingo_Zachos]

Well if the hotel offers the free nights give them as prizes in addition to cash. ....

Josh, that would require prophetical powers: to know who will be the winners in advance.
A little bit too much to ask for in my mind, dont' you think?

[Danny_Alvarez]

Danny, sorry to contradict your statement, but details are not fully finalized at all, or
is the refree determined? ,
has the schedule been made? ,
the allocation of the free rooms?,
interpreters?
price money allocation?
All these details are however, already worked on, but not yet (fully) worked out.

Ingo you are not contradciting me, we both said the same thing “being finalized” means they are in the process of finalizing the details.... so we aren’t in disagreement there.

Why not just do without the free rooms except maybe for the 1 referee and put the money into the prize fund? If you win you get more money to pay for your rooms. This is a pretty small tournament why do you need staff there? I think this is all blown out of proportion for a qualifying tournament.

Everyone and their dog complained about lack of security, lack of internet feed, lack of free lollies and bikini clad girls to announce the next round..... that is why we need staff Josh... as far as the money comment goes, is that the sole motivator in your life? Money?

After many moons, young Josh returns to "stir up the pot".... Great to see another young American still interested in the game....
Jay "wondering" H

Mr H leopards cannot change their spots.... they may try to wash them away a-la Lady Macbeth but they remain

Why not just do without the free rooms except maybe for the 1 referee and put the money into the prize fund? If you win you get more money to pay for your rooms. This is a pretty small tournament why do you need staff there? I think this is all blown out of proportion for a qualifying tournament.

Another great comment Josh maybe everyone should stay home and let Alex and Ron play till they are 99 .... next thing we know you are going to say why bother with a QT , why not make whoever is champion now a lifetime champion and end of story

cheers
Danny

[Alex_Moiseyev]

May I also ask that persons that received emails from the WCDF or WCDF board members after they rightly asked for information to respect the privacy of emails, and not to publish them on any forum, especially if (s)he knows that it contains emails sent from a third person that may not have agreed to a publication yet.

Ingo, you probably right. The good thing is - noone quoted my post with text of bid and I just removed it from forum. It's only in our memory now but may be it is just a wonderful dream ?

[Ingo_Zachos]

... I just removed it from forum. It's only in our memory now but may be it is just a wonderful dream ?

Thk you Alex.
You are not W'leak, though you also caused a stirr with the best attentions.

And it was not a dream, it is becoming reality, and a few details and enhancements will round up the thing.
What we now need is : attendance, attendance, attendance. and for those who are not lucky enough to go there: attention (to QT), attention (of QT), attention (for QT).
That part is not up to WCDF, but to then players and federations, in other words : to you, yes you.

May the best man win, and may the rest enjoy it.


Greetinx

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Ingo, I have an interesting idea and proposal for WCDF.

Use 12 free rooms as you planned - for officials, stuff, high ranking players etc.

But reserve just 3 free rooms and make them a part of price fund: give them to the best performers in QT who didn't get free room - it maybe 6th, 8th or even 10th place. This would certainly raise an interest, motivation and make it very attractive to the very end of event !

[Danny_Alvarez]

Considering I am not going to be at this tournament, the money has no effect on me. I stated that I thought the money/rooms should go to the best players at the tournament, and if you disagree maybe you should come up with an idea of why not to give the rooms to the better players or a better use for them. Why would we stay at home and let Alex and Ron play? I said nothing about either, but at the rate they are dominating their events they could be playing as lifetime champions. On another note, I enjoy watching you get angry every time I make a post even if it has absolutely nothing to do with you .

You assume to much... far to much, just because i disagree with your silly idea it doesn't mean i should come up with an alternative one. and secondly the fact i stand up and point out your stupidity, lack of common sense, disrespect, or whatever else you are demonstrating at the time, does not mean i am angry. I have never been angry at you.

Keep assuming... you know what they say about them

cheers
Danny

[Danny_Alvarez]

Ingo, I have an interesting idea and proposal for WCDF.

Use 12 free rooms as you planned - for officials, stuff, high ranking players etc.

But reserve just 3 free rooms and make them a part of price fund: give them to the best performers in QT who didn't get free room - it maybe 6th, 8th or even 10th place. This would certainly raise an interest, motivation and make it very attractive to the very end of event !

I like the idea Alex, i think it is worthy serious of consideration by the WCDF.
By the way Alex whenever you open up the checker-leaks website make sure you let me know i would love to volunteer some of my time to it

cheers
Danny

[Alex_Moiseyev]

i would love to volunteer some of my time to it

Australians are always leaders in this business But this is not a safe deal: If I tell in public everything I know - the world would be different

[kim willis]

This is very interesting now we have Italy with QT bid. After the Irish WQ. I just wonder after what happened there will it affect this one. For I have nothing against Italy bidding. But if the WCDF has any involvment many will not go. I know I will not ever again.

So how many will go?

I just hope everyone good luck that attends.


Kim