GAYP QT 2011 in Italy.

[Danny_Alvarez]

If you are going to argue an idea you should have a counter argument otherwise saying an idea is stupid or lacks common sense only proves your brain cant formulate a better idea.

Einstein the one arguing against is you... you are arguing before you even know what the WCDF will do.... so i can quite rightly qualify your idea without having to propound an alternative of my own. I personally don't think that we should second guess everything our leaders do and that they should be free to do stuff (even if that means they make the odd mistake, which they can improve next time around). so i trust that whatever they decide will be far better than your silly idea.

but your insults make you seem very angry and i would be happy to help you with your problem. all you have to do is ask.

You might have intimidated others in the past, you don't intimidate or scare me one bit. I'll be 100 years old before i get scared of turdy knuckleheads like you. Keep dreaming mate!!!

Danny

[Danny_Alvarez]

This is very interesting now we have Italy with QT bid. After the Irish WQ. I just wonder after what happened there will it affect this one. For I have nothing against Italy bidding. But if the WCDF has any involvment many will not go. I know I will not ever again.
So how many will go?
I just hope everyone good luck that attends.

Kim I am sorry you feel that way. But checkers needs the WCDF and we need them to either run as many events as possible or help associations to do so. I hope with time your feelings do change on this subject.

cheers
Danny

[liam stephens]

Dear Ingo,

As the apparent spokesperson for the WCDF on this Forum, and in the interests of fairness, can you give an assurance that the distribution of free rooms will be allocated in a transparent and impartial manner, such as by a ballot of all entries received by a certain date or deadline, rather than by cronyism or the whim of some who shout loudest in the hierarchy.

BTW a major complaint about the Dublin QT was the cost of accommodation at the Radisson Hotel - €47.50 per person for a double room. According to the FID prospectus as I recall it (now seems to have been deleted) the price for a double superior room is €60+ per person and €80+ per person for platinum. ( presumably superior is inferior to platinum ?)
Will you be publishing a list of cheap bed and breakfast establishments for the benefit of impecunious checker players who are unable to afford $60+ a day.

Regards - Liam.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

But if the WCDF has any involvment many will not go. I know I will not ever again.

Your are very lucky you can do this but what about me ? If I don't like WCDF - should I giveup on title ?

I feel very sorry and responsible about WCDF. it is partially my fault that it was created. Originally WCDF was created at the end of 2003 as result of title controversary and in order to organise my matches with Ron King. Thats it - this was the one and only one main goal and intention.

But as any other burocratic organisation, WCDF has tendency to grow and take more power and control. Immediately WCDF declared that GAYP titles, youth and woman titles - also under their umbrella.

In toher hands - we have rules and regulations, BY-LAWS which regulate the game.

In addition - we have regular QT's and world matches. Perhaps WCDF is necessary evil we can live with if they will continue operate it this way.

But sometimes they make absolutely idiotic stupid decisions without asking other people and without any control. The way it's organise make it almost impossible to change in positive direction and re-elect administration. I personally can't go oversea in order to participate in elections.

Maybe today in 21 century we can organise "electronic elections" over email ?

As world champion i can't play in QT, but I really and trully want my vote be counted and heard.

Regards,

Alex

[Alex_Moiseyev]

such as by a ballot of all entries received by a certain date or deadline

One pro - 10 contra In this case deadline must be setup well in advance because people should make reservation. ACF GAYP National 2011 will be in August, just two months prior QT and exact names of attendants ill be known in the middle of August. Perhaps same or similar picture with other Federations and Nationals.

There is no perfect decision in this case unless WCDF release some Gene Lindsay money (interest) and make all rooms free.

rather than by cronyism or the whim of some who shout loudest in the hierarchy.

Players who doesn't have a chance to win event and earn challenger rights should stay home. Otherwise this is tourism, not sport.

I don't have any problems to run QT with only 4-6 attendants - best of the best. And in most cases we know with 99% accuracy their names, not too many strong newcomers on horizon.

[Danny_Alvarez]

Making a suggestion is not arguing with myself... when you disagree with a suggestion and define it as "silly" and "stupid" you show your lack of ability to make an argument so you have to result to insults. You seem to trust leadership to much that Kim and many others stated did a poor job at the last qt. i only stated my opinion if you have nothing to say besides thats "silly" "stupid" or "disrespectful" then dont reply.

We cannot all be as fashionably rebellious as you Josh. And also we cannot all be as perfect as you. Let him without fault throw the first stone. I'll keep sharing my opinion Josh, try to stop me.
Danny Alvarez

[Danny_Alvarez]

Players who doesn't have a chance to win event and earn challenger rights should stay home. Otherwise this is tourism, not sport.

I don't have any problems to run QT with only 4-6 attendants - best of the best. And in most cases we know with 99% accuracy their names, not too many strong newcomers on horizon.

Alex I have to disagree there. If there aren't many strong newcomers shouldn't we give them more opportunities to play so they become stronger. Having weaker opposition won't affect the outcome. If weaker players play against stronger ones eventually they will improve.
Cheers
Danny

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Alex I have to disagree there.

Thats OK, different people - different opinions. Most people probably agree with you.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

So, if we had more regular international tournaments, I could get behind a best-of-the-best qualifying tournament

John, you always being one of the best my editors and translators ! Thanks for clarifications, this is exactly what I had in mind.

[Danny_Alvarez]

Thats OK, different people - different opinions. Most people probably agree with you.

Thanks for understanding Alex, I do appreciate it.

So, if we had more regular international tournaments, I could get behind a best-of-the-best qualifying tournament

John, you always being one of the best my editors and translators ! Thanks for clarifications, this is exactly what I had in mind.

If that were to occur I would be with you guys and I would think that only a few players for the QT would be ok in this scenario. I think a lot of the time we all want the same thing but we get stuck on the details.

Cheers
Danny Alvarez

[Ingo_Zachos]

All these proposals look fine, but they are not measured on what can be done.

I. To give away hotel reservations as prices requires that you know who are the price winners.
But that takes prophetical powers, so this proposal is nothing but outright stupid.
You can't eat a cake that is not baked.
Can anyone give me a list of the price winners of 2011 right now?


II. To stage a series or only one event with the so called "Top Players" means two things:

1. To have the money, time, manpower, to stage that event. If the WCDF had millions each year, we could do it.
But for now even one event a year is hard to do, but somehow with the help of federations like the FID, IDA, ACF, etc., the WCDF did do the job. It did not fail, but it needs to do better.

2. To know who are the "Top Players" you need a criteria.
To win the WCDF Qualifier is the citeria to become challenger to the WC.
And it it not easy to do that.
Try it.

But: who should enter that QT?
As for now, all federations can make two nominations, the hosting nation can make three nominations, the WCDF can allow further players. All federations are adviced to sent the best two players available!


Any plan to stage a "Top Player" event fails to :
1. some or all Top Players might refuse to play.
2. it can not be determinded who the Top Players are. (Remember Borghetti won the QT and might become WC. As far as I know I was the only one who had him as a possible QT winner, and I was critizied for that!)

3. We can do without the WCDF.
Great idea (mind the irony!)
What then?

Solution:
Try to change the system from within!
Go to the GA, become an official.
It is possible.
I've done that.
You can do it.
Yes, you can.


Greetinx from sunny Germany,

Ingo Zachos

[liam stephens]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzSzhHmhiOY

[tommyc]

But there are so many rivers to cross Liam?
Maybe give a little take a ....................................LOT?

[liam stephens]

"Little things mean a lot" (Ruby Murray)

[Danny_Alvarez]

The way it's organise make it almost impossible to change in positive direction and re-elect administration. I personally can't go oversea in order to participate in elections.

Maybe today in 21 century we can organise "electronic elections" over email ?

As world champion i can't play in QT, but I really and trully want my vote be counted and heard.

Ingo, I sincerely thank you for addressing the issues raised. it takes courage and integrity to face an audience that is not on your side and raising questions constantly. but i feel there is a most important issue you didn't address, and that is the one Alex raised.

With today's technology do i really need to travel halfway around the world in order to cast my vote???? with work commitments and pecuniary pressures that is increasingly difficult since we are a worldwide family. Isn't the point Alex mentioned a very valid one worth serious scrutiny by our WCDF directives????

cheers
Danny Alvarez