11 man ballott WCM 2011

[tommyc]

Well its simple............12x12................not 11x11 or 10x10 0r even 3x3.Thats just making a mockery of the grand ol game.Nuff said.

[tommyc]

Its a joke really...........................thats about all you could call it.

[JR Smith]

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[Event "11-Man WTM Greensboro NC Rd1-Gm2 11:30/12:45.pdn"]
[Date "2011/05/27"]
[Black "Alex Moiseyev-off 11 (42m)"]
[White "Tim Laverty-off 23 (33m)"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Setup "1"]
[FEN "B:W32,31,30,29,28,27,26,25,24,22,21:B12,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1"]
1. 9-14 26-23 2. 14-18 22x15 3. 10x26 30x23 4. 5-9 {(KR: 59+20 811+20 610+16 1216+16 710+14 69+10 711+10)} 25-22 5. 7-10 {(KR: 811+20 710+10)} 22-18 6. 3-7 29-25 7. 9-13 {(KR: 1216+6 913+1)} 25-22 8. 8-11 {(KR: 69+1 811-1)} 24-20 {(KR: 2319-1 but 2420+150 White's losing move...)} 9. 6-9 28-24 {(KR: 2724+164 2824+182 all moves lose)} 10. 10-14 24-19 11. 7-10 31-26 12. 2-7 32-28 13. 4-8 27-24 14. 1-6 19-16 15. 12x19 24x15 16. 10x19 23x16 17. 14x30 16-12 18. 6-10 12x3 19. 11-15 {(White concedes RW, Total Time: 1 Hour & 15 minutes)} 20-16 20. 9-14 16-12 21. 30-25 1-0

Note: Tim went over this game with me and Teal, saying he looked at 23-19 but didn't like it because it preempted 11-15 exchange or the 11-16 squeeze, but he didn't consider it deep enough because it was the best he had. The exchange would leave Red and White about equal board positions. If 11-16 Red backs it up. Teal playing Alex's side and suggesting what Red could do. Of course it always easier when you aren't under the gun.

Now about Tommy Canning's comments... I'm surprised to hear this from you. It doesn't sound like something a Master and Author of the Game would say. Tommy you obviously have draughts analytical ability and knowledge of the game. You are considered one of the top analyzers of the critical 3-Move Openings. This sounds like a comment from someone who would say, "Draughts is a child's game on the level of tic-tac-toe.“ It's a joke to call it more than that. Foolish, stupid, and crazy to compare it to Draughts? or the Intellectual Gentleman's game of Chess? “Get out of here…”

Go on site and play some 11-Man Ballot Openings and experience the unique variety of opening positions. You can't rely on your pat games, its crossboard, giving you diversity that GAYP and 3-Move doesn’t have. Although your memory of positions and knowledge will help, and your Master's repertoire of draughts that’s been packed into your memory over the years would definitely make you a superior 11-Man Ballot player. Consider, its like when the golden dozen was added to the 3-Move Deck. Your are totally about such a post, I think someone hack your name or hijacked your posting on this subject!

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Red to move.

G4. T. Laverty vs A. Moiseyev

Tim played here 5-9??? and immediately lost after 1. ... 19-15 2. 10x19 17-14 3. 9x18 26-23 etc White Wins. After I made my previous move, I went out to smoke and when I came back - he already played 5-9. Referee wytnessed that immediately after playing 5-9, Tim said "****" and saw the shot.

This is a horrible stupid blunder indeed, but almost in each world title match I played, something like this always happened. It only proves a high pressure and calibre of event. I don't think in any National or State level events Tim would ever make such a move !

More later ...

[jeff webster]

Tinsley jumped right into a three for one in the first game of his World Title match with Oldbury in 1958, I wonder if that made him not worthy of playing for a World Title?

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Here are final standings in the 10x10 World Championship.

http://www.wkdammen2011.nl/index.php?op ... 04&lang=nl

Look at top 13 players and assume that they played "mini-tournament" among each other. From 78 games played in total, only 5 (!) ended with win/lost. 6%. I hope this can clear some smoke and rumors that 10x10 is "game of games", more complicated and more interesting. Big lie, gentlemans

[liam stephens]

Well, Alex, when, some time back, I copied on here an article by Derek Oldbury which demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt the superiority of the Game of English Draughts over the other varieties of draughts currently played you strenuously objected. Nice to see you have changed your mind.

Did you notice for instance a number of the games in the recent 10 x 10 Tournament where
2 against 4 pieces were sufficient to draw - arghh !!! (No Fugitive Kings there !).

[tommyc]

Thanks for your reply JR..............and John.............no i idnt get hacked again,its just i feel very strongly abt this.So strongly in fact i pulled out of the World Mail play-offs a few years ago for that very reason when it was made known in the event of a tie the breaker would be an 11 man ballot breaker.I just could not stomach this and resigned promptly. I would have been very happy to play an untenable opening as a breaker but not 11man.........its on a different planet from my idea of draughts and the further into space the better. Ive nothing against the very few who play it but id prefer skittles or as yu say tic tac toe.Keep smiling JR.............LONG LIVE THE MAN.!!

[Alex_Moiseyev]

3rd opening in the beginning of second day leaded to two very interesting drawn cross aboard games. See on diagram position after opening moves.

Red to move.

Game 5, Game 6

Tim played here 11-15 and after 28-24, 9-13 I spent (if I am not mostaken) about 30 minutes trying to find the best plan. There were two options here: 23-18 and 22-17. Finally I choose the second option but still don't know if it was the best choice or not.

Having red pieces I decided to play a waiting move 9-13 first and see what Tim wants to do. He also traded 22-17, but here I played 11-16 instead 11-15 and I think finally I've got a better game with red than he had.

Anyway both games were interesting, noone made mistake and Games #5 and #6 finished with draw.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Red to move.

Abonded opening in G7.

This is ballot for the 4th round which was abonded by both players. Today I can confirm that it was not an accurate verdict and I am taken a full responsibilities for such decision. Usually we have only few minutes to observe position and make decision - it's playable or not.

White to move

G7, G8

Tim played here 24-19 and lost, I played 32-27 and survived. Tim verdict was more accurate - this debute is more worst than one we abonded. One thing almost amazed me in 11 man ballot - how serious strategic damage can be done to position by sumply removing a piece and making one move. Fantastic !

Look at diagram. It is still a big question for me - if this ballot is sound or not. I will put more comments to these games later this weekend and you can review position and games.

Do you think this opening is sound ?

Regards,

Alex

[MostFamousDane]

Look at diagram. It is still a big question for me - if this ballot is sound or not. I will put more comments to these games later this weekend and you can review position and games.

Do you think this opening is sound ?

Regards,

Alex

I think the opening is sound 24-19 loses but 32-27 draws (not the way you played it though)

24-19 loses like this:
24-19 11-15 17-13 15-24 28-19 4-8 {7-11 is the only move in kingsrows opening book here but it only seems to draw} 25-22 20-24 29-25 8-11 23-18 10-15 19-10 7-23 26-19 9-14 30-26 6-10 32-28 11-15 22-17 2-6 26-22 14-18 19-16 18-23 28-19 15-24 22-18 24-28 16-11 28-32 11-7 32-28 18-14 10-15 7-2 28-24 2-9 24-19 14-10 5-14 13-9 19-16 9-6 15-19 6-2 19-24 25-22 23-27 17-13 27-32 13-9 16-11 22-17 14-18 2-6 11-7 9-5 7-14 17-10

or like this:
24-19 4-8 19-16 20-24 28-19 11-20 17-13 20-24 25-22 7-11 23-18 9-14 18-9 5-14 22-17 24-28 26-23 11-15 19-16 15-18 23-19 18-22 31-27 2-7 16-12 8-11 27-24 10-15 17-10 7-14 19-10 6-15 24-20 15-19 13-9 19-23 9-5 11-15 30-25 22-26 25-22 26-31 22-17 14-18 20-16 18-22 17-14 31-26 14-10 23-27 32-23 26-19 16-11 15-18 11-7 19-15 7-2 15-6 2-9

32-27 draws like this:
32-27 9-14 25-22 11-15 30-25 7-11 22-18 15-22 25-9 5-14 24-19 11-15 19-16 2-7 23-19 15-24 28-19 4-8 29-25 8-12 27-23 20-24 25-22 10-15 17-10 7-14 19-10 12-19 23-16 6-15

32-27 loses if you play 24-19 like you did
32-27 9-14 24-19 11-15 19-16 6-9 16-12 9-13 28-24 13-22 25-9 5-14 23-19 4-8 19-16 2-6 26-23 15-19 24-15 10-26 31-22 8-11 29-25 11-15 22-17 6-10 25-22 1-6 27-23 20-24 30-25 24-27 23-19 15-24 17-13 14-17 21-14 10-26