womens world match

[tommyc]

Im surprised to dont know how the WCDF machine works by now....................slow slower and slower..................for all the means of comunicating thats been invented MAN is still brain dead,sad but true.

[Lindus Edwards]

Hi Tommy,


Oh yes, Jan and I “know.” LOL.

[Hugh Devlin]

I note the usual and unnecessary derogatory comments from the above contributors. Wouldn’t it be very simple if they had contacted someone within the WCDF about this instead of making false accusations? First let me state clearly that there have been a number of correspondences between Hurmagul Toyeva and the WCDF on this matter, (available if necessary) so this accusation of lack of communication is false. Secondly, the WCDF statutes are clear with regards to the process of organising a World Championship Match (and available for all to see at http://wcdf.wz.cz/bylaws.htm ) i.e. in order to have a WCM a bid must be received from a member organisation. Despite the WCDF asking for bids to host this match in 2010 I can confirm that no bid has been received from anyone, which has also been communicated earlier. Please also note the WCDF are in communication with the TNDC on this matter. In addition you will note from the early contributions to this topic that the WCDF Executive Board are currently giving this issue very serious attention and proposals will be brought to the next General Assembly meeting. Hugh.

[Eric Strange]

LOL... it is a womans title match.... just fund one of them to fly to a local starbucks or whatever you guys have and have them play a bunch of games... why does everyone make this so difficult?

[Lindus Edwards]

Hugh, there is nothing whatsoever derogatory in my remarks. I am merely attempting to receive an answer concerning the possibility of holding tournaments for the women as I have described. It seems the only way forward in light of the facts I have mentioned.

Regards,

Lindus.

[Ingo_Zachos]

Gentleman, would yo please apologize to the ladies you are talking about?

With regret I read that this forum turned into a place to exchange insultations.


There is much more to do for us then to blame and to offend.
We need bids, money, resources and new players.
It is time to play, organize and socialize in good spirit and work together for the future of our game.

Ingo Zachos,
checker player

[tommyc]

Again its such a pity that the only retort or information is in answer to posts that are made on here.Why dont the WCDF have a PR person and then we might all know what the other hand is doing.I f this isnt apparent then Mr Devlin will have to put up with our frustrations and keep us all in the dark as usual. Until then who can blame us............if its not lack of info its lack of Ty organisation or playing materials ,is the WCDF a one man band i ask? If so then maybe someone will tell us .......anytime soon.?

[liam stephens]

I understand Ingo is the PRO of the WCDF.
Maybe he can tell us whatever happened to the much trumpeted promise to revise and amend the bidding rules that were already acknowledged as unfair to a challenger. Another empty gesture it would appear.

Just look at how the dice are loaded against any challenger:


Rule 6.3.5 If no bid is received to host a World Championship Match by
1st January of the year in which the match has to be played,
then it is the responsibility of the challenger to arrange the match.

And as if that were not enough, to cap it all there is the following
Draconian provision:

Rule 6.3.9 Despite the onus being transferred to the Challenger to organise the match,
the WCDF can also consider late alternative offers by the Champion or a third party.

So the challenger after going to the trouble and expense of arranging a match bid can have it overturned by a third party at the eleventh hour.

I doubt that any challenger would agree to host a match under such conditions.

[kiwinurse]

Hugh,This is a checker site,and the only way that we can express how we feel about what is happening in the checker world.There needs to be freedom of expression,to iron out a lot of stuff that happens and is happening.I cant imagine why Toyeva would contact me and ask me did i know what is happening on her match, and how to contact you guys,if yud been in correspondance with her,if you like i can put her quotes on here to show you im not making it up.
As for you Eric,best to ignore your attempt at nasty put down humour at the expense of women,in one way you are right about why is it so difficult to organize a match,especially when the participants are in the same country,but then all costs money,because a referree would have to be flown in from the west to make sure everythings fair and above board,and a representative of the wcdf.

[kiwinurse]

And Liam i did try,as you well know

[tommyc]

Liam you are quite right ,why would anyone go to the bother under those conditions ,its a joke really.There is no consultation just ride rough-shod over us all. If Ingo is the PRO of the WCDF THEN hes just as much in the dark as we are,...........or its a big secret and it is as i suspected its a ONE MAN BAND. We deserve answers to these questions...........transparency urgently
required.

[Ingo_Zachos]

Dear Tommy, dear Liam,


where have you been the last couple of years?
There were many threads even on this forum about the matter, and if I see it correctly, you both have written on it.

Hugh is right, that the claim it is not discussed or communicated is simply not true.

Also, the whole bidding procedure is under survey, not just as a gesture, and, yes, I am sure it will be changed and may even be abandoned for women, but, sorry to say that, the body to decide on that is the General Assemby of the WCDF and not any forum or anyone that writes on a forum, especially not the ACF Forum.

So far the Women's match has not materialized, as there is no bid.

This is not a pleasent situation, and I wish it would be different, and bids are still appreciated, even if they are not strictly meeting the WCDF byelaws.

And the situation is also not new, as we saw it many times before in the past, though we also had the case that a player even refused to play an accepted bid and that even the winner of the QT refused to challenged right away.

This is why I personally believe the whole system should be changed to a single tournament to determine the champion.
No bidding process, no priviledges, just one champion played out under equal conditions for all.

Greetinx from rainy Dortmund,

Ingo Zachos

[Lindus Edwards]

Hi Ingo,

I cannot find a single word in my posts in this chain to make any apology to the ladies for.


My initial post posed two simple questions, the second of which was answered by Hugh Devlin.

You wrote:

“I personally believe the whole system should be changed to a single tournament to determine the champion.
No bidding process, no privileges, just one champion played out under equal conditions for all.”

Absolutely right and well said.

Let us hope that a great future will exist for the ladies.

Regards,

Lindus.

[Hugh Devlin]

Hi Everyone, I'm all for freedom of expression, but when someone begins to write derogratory marks like "Im surprised to dont know how the WCDF machine works by now..slow slower and slower" and someone (not unexpectantly from their previous posts) agree I find it rather insulting considering the amount of person time that has gone into this by a good many people - 90% of which is goes unseen. Perhaps these experts should enlighten us with what it is they have done to organise and promote the game? As I've said before if you want to know just ask someone involved. Is that so difficult?

As for a "one man show" my friends, both personal and in checkers, know that I have been hospitalised and unable to work for more than two months, but I'm not complaining and I'm not aware than anything has stopped in my absence. Did anyone notice the checker world coming to a standstill? Tommy you will also be delighted to note that it was announced prior to the last GA meeting in Dublin that this is my last period as WCDF President, expiring at the GA 2012.

With regards to the bidding proceedures, I'd like to point out a correction to the WCDF Website. Chapter 6 of the Byelaws was revised by a committee established to review this issue. Look at the minurtes of the GA 2010. See http://wcdf.wz.cz/meetings.htm. There you will find the following items (1) There had been a Committee established in 2010 to review the procedures for making bids to host WCDF events. It was chaired by Dr. Richard Beckwith, with committee members’ Ian Caws, Alex Moiseyev, Tommy Canning, and Hugh Devlin. Hugh thanked Richard for all his work on this, and to all committee members for their input. (2) Proposals: 9(v) (H. Devlin, J. Reade) Proposals from the Bids Committee. See separate document. Carried.

There are no secrets! That amended document was circulated to all delegates prior to the last GA meeting, and items were raised and clarified (remember this Jan!) For those of you who were not there, the new text of that Chapter reads:


Chapter 6. World Championship Matches.
6.1 A World Championship Match shall be held each second year for determining the World Champion at GAYP and Three Move Restriction modes of play. These shall include both the overall title and a title exclusively for women only, at both modes of play.

6.1 For organisational purposes the World Championship Matches at GAYP, both overall and the women’s title, shall be held during the years with even numbers (e.g. 2010, 2012, etc). The World Championship Matches at Three Move Restriction, both overall and the women’s title, shall be held during the years with uneven numbers (e.g. 2011, 2013, etc).

6.2 In order to host a World Championship Match a member organisation must make a successful bid for the hosting of such an event. The process and timeframe for making bids is outlined below.

6.3.1 The Executive Board shall advise all members at least two months (1st October) in advance as to the closing date for an expression of interest to submit a bid for the hosting of a World Championship Match. The closing date for an expression of interest should be 1st December of the preceding year of the World Championship Match. (e.g. 1st December 2011 for hosting of a World Championship Match 2012).

6.3.2 All expressions of interest to submit a bid must be forwarded to the Secretary of the WCDF by 17.00 hrs GMT of that date.


6.3.3 It is the responsibility of the Challenger to arrange the match if no expressions of interest to submit a bid is received by 1st December. Despite the onus being transferred to the Challenger to organise the match, the WCDF may also consider alternative offers by the Champion or a third party prior to 1st February (see 6.3.4). If no party has made arrangements by the timelines prescribed in 6.3.4 (and in 6.9, for a replacement Challenger) of the year in question, then the Challenger forfeits their right to challenge.


6.3.4 All final bids should be submitted to the Secretary of the WCDF by 17.00 GMT of 1st February (in the year the match must be played). Where a WQT is held after 1st October in the previous year, then the closing date shall be 4 months from the date of the conclusion of the WQT. The Champion should not be allowed to counter-bid after this deadline

6.3.5 The bidding member organisation shall specify to the WCDF all conditions they can offer to the participants, accompanying persons, and other officials. The conditions specified should include details of any offers being made in respect of travel costs, hotel costs, food and prize fund. The defending champion should have their costs covered (airfare, internal travel, accommodation, and meals), but no additional liability should be made on the bidder for issues like visa costs. The bidder should provide information (and if possible, a guarantee) about from where the money is coming (draughts federation, sponsor, etc.)

6.3.6 Where a number of bids have been received the Executive Board shall give each player fourteen (14) days to express his or her preferences and then the Executive Board shall decide within a further seven (7) days which bid to accept.

6.3.7 Three months notice must be given to the defending champion prior to the match commencing.

6.3.8 If the Executive Board accepts such arrangements as being reasonable, the champion must play or forfeit his/her title.

6.3.9 The match should never be postponed beyond 31st December of the year in question.

6.3.10 Correspondence outside the jurisdiction of the WCDF (that pertains to issues that are the subject of bid negotiation) that involve the making of false statements, or other statements that bring the WCDF or any of its officers into disrepute, should render the offender(s) liable to sanctions (Chapter .

6.2 The WCDF Laws of Checkers (See Appendix 1) shall be applied.

6.3 The Match Contract shall be drawn up by the Competition Director (CD) in collaboration with the principals involved. The match contract shall make no mention of a guaranteed amount of prize monies.

6.4 The time limit in all WCDF World Championship matches shall be 24 moves per hour.

6.5 All games will be played with clocks (preferably digital) and the moves must be recorded by both players.

6.6 Where a player feels he/she is unable to meet his/her commitments to a World Championship match, he/she may apply to the Executive Board for a postponement of the match where there is still a minimum of three months left prior to the commencement date of the arranged match. Such a decision shall be at the discretion of the Executive Board. Such a postponement shall only be granted where the match can be rescheduled within the same calendar year as the original match.

6.7 A player withdrawing from a World Championship match within three months from the original agreed commencement date of the match shall be substituted by the highest placed available player from the qualification tournament. If the withdrawing challenger is also the bidder, a new bid may be submitted and approved, provided that the match occur within the same calendar year and that the defending champion be given three months notice relative to the revised match dates.

6.8 The number of games to be contested during the course of a World Championship Match shall be as follows;

6.9.1 World (3 Move) Championship 40 games
6.9.2 World (3 Move) Women’s Championship 20 games
6.9.3 World (GAYP) Championship 24 games
6.9.4 World (GAYP) Women’s Championship 20 games

6.9 Only in exceptional cases can the referee permit the postponement of a game. This can only occur when it does not involve altering the day already fixed for the end of the match.

6.10 In the event of a tied match the defending champion shall retain the title by virtue of being undefeated.

The WCDF recognises a World Champion’s right to make a voluntary defence of their title to an independent challenger. However such a match must not interfere with the normal schedule of events as outlined in 6.2. The independent challenger must be someone recognised by the checker community and, for the case of the overall 3 Move & GAYP world titles, must be among the Top 100 rated players.

And so Liam you will find the major issues that you found objections to were heard and revised!
Hugh

[liam stephens]

Thank you Hugh for that clarification. I had only referred to the WCDF Rules as shown on the website rules page.

I am sorry to hear of your recent illness and hope you are soon recovered.

Regards - Liam.