LETTER TO ACF MANAGEMENT

[Danny_Alvarez]

To ACF management + forum moderators....

This is my humble suggestion to avoid the current situation.
All threads that involve 'online organisations' rankings + lists + opinions should be sent to the broken topics part of the forum.

How long will these individuals be allowed to bully everyone???
Note that I am not asking for a ban but for their stupidity to be sent to a part of the forum where we don't need to see it.
How many ACF members give 2 hoots about this person's lists and rankings????? These are some of the peoplethat have been attacked by them:
Irma Sierra ,
Jan Mortimer ,
Alex Moiseyev,
Dennis Cayton,
Bobby Loewin,
Lindus Edwards,
Bernard Coll,
myself, and many many others.
I think my proposal is fair, they can keep spouting their stuff but also we can ignore them.
Should my suggestion not be good enough I would like to know the reason .
Cheers
Danny
PS I have not purposively tried to make your job harder, but when everyone backs down to the heathens someone has to take a stand.

John Acker,
Tommy Canning,

[waynegober]

Alan,

I know you are at the tournament, but this Chee is way out of line here. You are the moderator.
I expect the right thing to be done. Is Chee even an ACF member? I suspect he is probably not even a member or ever has been a member of the ACF but uses this forum to tear down the ACF and build up his own little checker org.

Thanks,
Wayne Gober

On a side note, you and i talked of me running for ACF President someday. I am not happy with all of this and I may be ready to run. Best regards.

[waynegober]

a false quote... I have never said that. Playing in tournaments has nothing to do with it. You are rude and obnoxious and I decided to stand up to you.

You need to increase your analytical abilities and reasoning faculties before you click swords with me.
Maybe you can download a program?

As far as ACF membership; I have had about 10 people say they would join the ACFto vote for me should I run for President and I only mentioned thinking about running. I also have a lifetime of Checker friends who are current ACF members and true gentlemen and GentleLadies. Your days are numbered one way or the other. By the way, are you a member of the ACF or just an agitator?

Wayne Gober

[George Hay]

Danny, you have made an excellent suggestion, a star move! What I don't like about Chee's rating system is that it should be an "opt in" system, and yet Chee is saying you can't even "opt out." Give me a break! Any such phony system belongs in "broken boards." I am not putting down Internet Checkerists, it is good to take pride in your game wherever you play it. Playing games in a "virtual park" like PlayOK is not the same as playing in a tournament, on-line or off-line. Checkerists' privacy should be respected, and they should not be involuntarily drafted into a rated match or tournament. Talk about taking the fun out of checkers! I am not a complete cultural relativist; good sportsmanship never goes out of style. --George Hay

P.S. I don't like cussing by anyone on this forum.

[kkelly]

Wayne,
Is this not all reminiscent of the mid to late 90's.. "Original Gamezone"
The online persona of one , who duped many in the checker world into thinking he was a sort of a phenom,, he developed an almost cultish following among many of the younger players, and had several top players vouching for him. tho at the time none had ever met or played this persone online.
.. even today we have one of those same top ACF players vouching\promoting this group..
don't let them tweak you to much, it is impossible to teach someone something online that should be taught in the home.

[waynegober]

Ken,

I remember very well that contraversy and the individual. This one here will pass also.
They are not really tweeking me much, I just decided to stand up against their rudeness.
They have no business posting their unscientific ratings on the ACF site and using ACF members in their ratings. And even doing so without our consent and against the ACF players desire. If they rate me on their site and I could care less. That org. and little bunch amount to nothing. Appreciate you and your Dad's friendship Ken over the years.

Best Regards,
Wayne

[tommyc]

Answer the question CHEE..............ARE YU OR ARE YU NOT AN ACF MEMBER?? ..............SIMPLE!!

[Chexhero]

George I agree with you about the whole online rating thing. ACF has a right to have ratings because it is a privately owned organization made up of players who decided on a president I believe. Of course it has ratings and gives out prize money. With Kurnik it is not the same. It is an online playing room where no president was voted. While I think he has been a little harsh, Wayne wishes not to be part of the list, and he should not have to be a part of it.

[waynegober]

but as you are getting angrier about everything said on the forum it only shows that you take things to personally and as a leader of an organization that cannot happen. You have stooped to the level of everyone else, and

Josh,

You have mistaken determination for anger. I have read your posts on the ocf forum and know your true feelings about the ACF. Are you a member of the ACF? After reading your posts about me, I was not expecting your vote should I run. However, if I run I will do my best to get some votes.

You Online fellows should just forget us old players. We are no longer relevent to organized checkers and as one said, online play is the future of the game. Have fun, and if you are not a member of the ACF go ahead and join up and vote how you would like.

Best Regards,
Wayne Gober

P.S. I think you misspelled it on the ocf Goober is one O too many

[George Hay]

Chexhero, you have a good approach to the human relations aspect of checkers. Eric might just make on-line tournaments a reality. In the mean time, I hope you have a strong "end game" in Majors! --George Hay

[waynegober]

So you implied that you're better at checkers than me and that I prog. There's no evidence that either are true.

No, you inferred that. While I have you on the line, however, are you an ACF member? It's a very simple question that "yes or no" could answer.

[tommyc]

ANSWER THE Q C HEE...............by tommyc on Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:27 pm

Answer the question CHEE..............ARE YU OR ARE YU NOT AN ACF MEMBER?? ..............SIMPLE!!...

[waynegober]

As Danny has created this thread for a plea to the ACF managenent, I will use it for my post on this matter.

1. I am fairly convinced that Chee is not a member of the ACF. The exec. committee knows for sure.

2. He has admitted to being a troll. Most forums do not allow trolls to stay.

3. He has included several ACF members names in a posting on this ACF affiliated site. My name is one of thos names.

4. I objected to my name being on a list created from this organization. I take exception to being in any way affiliated with what they do and say in online checker rooms. I simply asked to be removed and was told to stay off the internet or play checkers on an iphone with my son only, ect.

5. They can do as they please outside of this forum, but as an ACF member, I voice my objection to my name being listed with a group such as this, here on the ACF forum. If someone posted a list of child predators on this ACF site with my name on it, what would you expect from me?? I would want the list off and the lister banned ect. I feel just as strongly about this group.

6. I know the ACF national has been in progress during this fray. I do expect some action or explaination of non-action.

7. Will the exec. committee allow non-members of the ACF with an agenda to have free reign to defame the reputation of ACF members on non-solicited lists?

8. An association with this OCF group is a defamation of my character and can be miconstrued so that some would believe I am part of the group and condone their unseemly actions and character.

9. I will not discontinue this campaign until a satisfactory action is taken.

Best regards,
Wayne Gober

ACF member almost continuously since 1978 or so

[waynegober]

You are no potential ACF member CHee. You have had years to join. You don't need the ACF, remember? Your Grandstanding won't work. Your a troll and nothing more. The OCF is a handful most of who are foul mouthed, spoiled younguns. OCF is far from the future of checkers. However, the ACF can regroup, do the little things well. Realize where we are and begin to rebuild in a realistic manner.
One of your guys said there were 7500 online checker players. How big is your org. again? You are the top dogs, top promoters, and best players in the world with youth to back it up. So far, all you can do is enjoy having the ACF, or wanting the ACF to beg you to play. They do something for you and nobody shows, and then you have the audacity to criticise the small turn out ect. and claim the ACF is dead ( your forum leader and former ACF ratings director claimed the ACF dead in his resignation rant) I will be posting ideas for growth of the real checker organization in the USA as soon as I firmly decide to run and get my team together. It's not about me. As far as you as an indiviual goes, you have had ample opportunity to join the ACF and haven't wanted to. I won't beg you. I want you gone from this forum until you grow up a little.

This is my last reply to you
Wayne Gober

[Bernard Coll]

Wayne, I admire your tenacious stance against these louts who posturise as serious checker players on this well meaning ACF forum. I firmly believe this forum was not intended as a media for such vitriol and unwarranted personal attacks on the more sedate and generally more mature and intelligent posters who have an opinion of their own. This guy chee who is causing the imbalance and aggravation on this thread in my opinion would have great difficulty filling in a genealology questionaire. Question 1. "What is your fathers name?" Answer, "Dunno" Question 2. What is your mothers name? Answer, "Dunno". I do not of course wish to offend Chee!! If I have, he must get into his juvenile brain that if you dish it out, you learn to take it! Regards to all decent ACF members.