Accusations of Financial Misconduct

[Jay H]

Jay Hinnershitz has accused three prominent ACF members of money laundering, claiming that his donations to various events "were 'absorbed' into the Millhone-Beckwith-LoConti fund." I demand that these accusations either be substantiated with real evidence or withdrawn, as they constitute libel and must not stand on the ACF Forum.

Jay Hinnershitz has done no such thing.


Jay Hinnershitz questioned where his donations to the various events actually went, since there was no mention of his donations in the ACFB.

And, I am curious, John Acker.....are you now an official represtative of the ACF ? Or of the ACF Forum?
I recall reading your own posts on your facebook account (when I still had an account)several months ago questioning the ACF management, and handling of finances.

Have you now appointed yourself as the only person who is credible enough to question such things....?
BOO-HOO's aside......don't worry....it wont happen again.

[Jay H]

Oh please. What were you implying, if not that the funds were mismanaged?

Just want to know why my donations were not acknowleged, and wondered if Millhone, Beckwith and LoConti, since the ACF got no bids, and they "stepped up and sponsored this GAYP National", just put up all the monies, and took any donations and included them with their funding ?
Legitimate question....

As to my personal Facebook, that's none of your business.

It was when you requested me to be your friend on facebook, and I accepted it.....

[Jay H]

Jim Loy will print a full donor list in the next ACFB. Satisfied?

Yeah,

I'll be satisfied, If you agree to take 44 minutes of time to listen to this..............just mellow out brother, and relax..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft7QMuliH2M




I think you will like it

[tommyc]

Well well ACKERS p.r.o. skills seem to be... hit it so hard that it wont arise again.A bit like the wild west ,do yu think.? Well his attitude toward JAY H is dispicable altho im not privy to all details ,im sure could have been sorted amicably and with better manners too, or is there more to the argument than meets the eye??..mb a hidden agenda? hmmmmmmm.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Not publishing timely donors list have nothing to do with laundering or financial misconduct. And I know that this list is always publish in ACFB ... some day

Me and Suki must be probably #1-2 people who are vicims and have all rights to compalin about extremely small prices in ACF GAYP National 2011. This year first price was $750 and second - $550, the lowest I ever saw.

However I don't complain at all and perfectly understand that at the time of very tough economy and interest rates around zero we can accuse in loundering and incompetence only USA government but obviously not ACF !

Tommy and Jay, many thanks for your past and future contribitins to ACF National and other events. These money along with other incomes and contributions help us keep alive.

Respectfully,

AM

[Danny_Alvarez]

Me and Suki must be probably #1-2 people who are vicims and have all rights to compalin about extremely small prices in ACF GAYP National 2011. This year first price was $750 and second - $550, the lowest I ever saw.

However I don't complain at all and perfectly understand that at the time of very tough economy and interest rates around zero we can accuse in loundering and incompetence only USA government but obviously not ACF !

Tommy and Jay, many thanks for your past and future contribitins to ACF National and other events. These money along with other incomes and contributions help us keep alive.

Alex that was very well said... good on you !

Danny Alvarez

[Dennis Cayton]

Jay Hinnershitz has accused three prominent ACF members of money laundering, claiming that his donations to various events "were 'absorbed' into the Millhone-Beckwith-LoConti fund."

Greetings John:

Jay made no such accusation or claim.

His original words were as follows:

......makes me wonder if my donations even went to the functions named, or were "absorbed" into the Millhone-Beckwith-LoConti fund...

This is neither an accusation nor a claim.

The word he used was "wonder." He merely expressed a thought which crossed his mind. He did not express it as a factual statement.

I demand that these accusations either be substantiated with real evidence or withdrawn, as they constitute libel and must not stand on the ACF Forum.

Once again, no accusations were made. Jay merely expessed a thought and not a statement of fact.

Next, what right do you have to "demand" that another poster withdraws the expression of a mere thought? Are you now the self-appointed officer of the American Checker Federation's "thought police?"

Finally, the thoughts that Jay expressed do not constitute or satisfy the legal standards of "libel."

Suppose a person writes the following statement on a message board:

"Sometimes I wonderif President Obama is a Communist."

This is not an accusation. This is not a claim. This is not libel. This is merely the expression of a thought. It is not a statement of fact. Note the word "wonder", which I highlighted in red.

This also applies to your accusations of libel against Jay.

In fact, there may be more evidence of libel from your end, by specifically and emphatically accusing Jay of libel, based upon nothing more than the expression of a mere thought, and which was not expressed as a factual statement.

Oh please. What were you implying, if not that the funds were mismanaged?

Note your use of the word "implying."

To merely "imply" something does not meet the legal standards of libel.

I suggest you read the following to help you brush up on your legal education:

https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/leg ... defamation

With all due respect, I would like to further suggest that you drop this argument while you are still behind.

Very Sincerely,

Dennis Cayton

[tommyc]

I just dont understand what has "came over" John Acker its pretty disturbing behaviour? .................and by the way i dont do ULTIMUTEMS!!

As for Moiseyev [who likes the dollar dollar,dollar is what i need ] Ackers outburst means he will get less prize money in future.

[Irma Sierra]

What Dennis says...what Tommy says, what Jay says....