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San Remo statistics.

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Here are some "numbers" from San Remo. This is interesting and important information which helps us to understand better - WHAT, HOW and WHY happened in San Remo.

14 players from 8 countries.
Average rating - 2,339
Average age - unknown
GM - 5. IM - 7, CM - 1

8 rounds, Swiss system, 112 games played in total.

From 112 games played red won 26 games and white won 13 games.

From 112 games played 104 (!) were opened by 11-15, two games were opened by 9-14, one game was opened by 10-15, three games were opened by 11-16 and two games were opened by 12-16.

Here are our heroes, gladiators and kamikaze :lol:

1) I. Martynov vs B. Durdyev, Rd2, G2 ... 12-16, 24-20, 8-12 Draw

2) L. Kondlo vs S. Scarpetta, Rd4, G2 ... 9-14, 22-18, 5-9 Draw

3) B. Durdyev vs I. Zachos, Rd5, G2 ... 11-16, 23-18. 16-20 RW

4) I. Martynov vs A. Berdiyeva, Rd6, G1 ... 9-14 22-18, 5-9 Draw

5) B. Durdyev vs L. Kondlo, Rd6, G1 ... 11-16, 24-19, 8-11 WW

6) L. Kondlo vs B. Durdyev, Rd6, G2 ... 12-16, 24-20, 11-15 RW

7) B. Durdyev vs G. Owens, Rd7, G2 ... 11-16, 24-19, 8-11 Draw

8 ) R. Tovagliaro vs J. Morrison, Rd8, G1 ... 10-15, 21-17, 11-16 WW

Bashim Durdyev is a definite leader in innovated play with Lubabalo Kondlo and Igor Martynov tie for runner up !

It would be also very interesting to see statistics how it was breakdown by specific openings and variations after 11-15. Maybe someone continue this research ?

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I made a small overview for personal use.

I counted the following:

A) Classical Openings (ie 1. 11-15 and now either 1 . ... 23-19 or 1. ... 22-17, often transposing) 49 times (9 RW, 8 WW, 12 draws, 20 PP draws)

Glasgow 11 times
Anderson 6 times with a plus score for white! (1 RW, 2WW, 1draws, 2 PP-draws)
Classical 6. ... 28-24 3 times ( 1 RW, 2 PP-draws)
African Glasgow with 11-8 2 times (1 draw, 1 PP-draw)


Black Dyke 7 times (1 RW, 2 WW, 1draw, 3 PP draws)

Pioneer 5 times ( 1RW, 1 draw, 3 PP draws)

Laird + Lady 4 times (1 WW, 1 draw, 1 PP draws)

Maid of the Mill 3 times
Line 4. ... 26-23 1 time (1 WW)
Line 4. ... 21-17 2 times (1 RW, 1 draw)

Old 14 3 times (! WW, 1 draw, 1 PP draw)

Wagram 3 times ( 1 RW, 1 draw, 1 PP draw)

White Dyke 3 times
Line 5. 12-16 1 time (1 draw)
Line 5. 6-9 2 times (2 PP draws!)


Alma 2 times (1 RW, 1 draw)
Tillycoultry 2 times (1 draw, 1 PP draw)

Black Doctor 1 time (1draw)
Boston 1 time (1 draw)
Defiance 1 time (1 PP draw)
Fife 1 time (1RW)
Nailor 1 time (1 RW)
Will o the Wisp 1 time (1 PP draw)

B) Semi-Classical Openings (ie others to 11. 11-15 then 1. ... 23-19 or 1. ... 22-17) : 53 times (14 RW, 5 WW, 20 draws, 14 PP draws)

Single Corner 23 times
Line 3. 9-13 3 times (2 RW, 1 draw)
Line 3. 8-11 4 times (1 RW, 2draws, 1 PP draw)

Line 3. 12-16 others 2 times (1WW, 1 PP draw)
Line 3.12-16 18-14 (Agnes Gray) 3 times (3 RW!)
Line Lucy Long (3. 12-16 then 10-14) 6 times (2 draws, 4 PP draws!)
Line Flora Temple (3. 12-16 then 9-13) 5 times ( 1 RW, 3 draws, 1 PP draw)


Cross 15 times
Line Cross Choice (2.9-14) 4 times (1 draw, 3 PP draws!)
Line Sterling Cross (3.10-14) 2 times (2 draws)
Line 3. 3-8 (Martynov Cross) 2 times ( 1WW, 1 draw)
Line 4.9-14 (Main Line II) 1 time (1 draw)
Line 4. 10-14 (Main Line I) 6 times (1 RW, 1WW, 2 draws, 2 PP draws)


2nd Double Corner 11 times
Setup 3.8-11 & 4. 11-16 6 times (3 RW, 1 draw, 2 PP draws)
Setup 3.8-11 & 4. 9-14 5 times ( 2 RW, 3 draws)


Ayrshire Lassie 3 times (2 WW!, 1 draw)
Switcher 1 time (1RW)

C) Modern Openings (all others but 1. 11-15) 10 times (3 RW, 1 WW, 4 draws , 2 PP draws)

Bristol 2 times (transpositions from 1. 11-15 24-20, 2. 16-19) (1 RW, 1 draw)
Bristol - Cross 1 time (1 RW)
Paisley 2 times (1 draw, 1 PP draw)
Dundee 2 times (1 RW, 1 draw)
Double Corner 2 times (1 draw, 1 PP draw)
Kelso 1 time (1 WW)

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All in all 112 games, 104 opened with 1. 11-15, two transposing into Bristol

26 RW. 14 WW, 36 draws, 36 PP draws

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It is interesting, that the 2nd
Double Corner does so bad,but it was played by two players with less then 50 percent (Kareta and Bishop), some of these games were lost only after the opening phase gave an equal game.

Also 3.9-13 in the Single Corner is so successful, as it was played by the tournament winner Sergio Scarpetta. It does not reflect the real strenghts of this opening either.

Glasgow, Single Corner, 2nd Double Corner and Cross were the most "discussed" openings, as could be expected, but that is partly also duie to the repertoire of the players.
It seems like the Anderson Glasgow did fairly well this time, and that the Agnes Gray (Single Corner with 3. 12-16 18-14) is not that easy draw in practical play, especially against higher rated players, as the books indicate...

At least it offers several endings that are clearly sligthly better for red, and white has to be very careful to draw it seems.


I hope this short overview is helpful to many players,


Greetinx from cloudy, but mild Dortmund,
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Re: San Remo statistics.

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Ingo_Zachos wrote:I hope this short overview is helpful to many players
For me - absolutely ! Nice and very important and valuable research, Ingo. Many thanks for your job and efforts.

Respectfully,

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Thank you Mr. Alex, and thank you Ingo. It is important for a duffer/beginner/novice to see how the masters play the GAYP openings. I find the opening in checkers much more difficult than the opening in chess. After all, to get to the mid-game you first have to get through the opening! It is interesting to see that Anderson and the Glasgow players still rate! I would, however, rate the single corner (11-15,22-18) as a classical opening, not a semi-classical opening. --George Hay
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George Hay wrote:... I would, however, rate the single corner (11-15,22-18) as a classical opening, not a semi-classical opening. --George Hay
My classification is based upon a similar system as in chess:

there 1. e4 e5 are called "open" games, though the Tarrasch defense in the Queens Gambit also produces "open" positions, as does the Sicilian. And all other replies to 1. e4 are "semi-open", and all others but 1. e4 "closed", though Ruy Lopez is in reality often more "closed" then Queens Gambit...

Classical means it is 1. 11-15 23-19 or 1. 11-15 22-17, with the aim to reach the setup 1. 11-15 23-19, 2. 8-11 22-17 ("crab")

"Classical" or "Modern" does not mean that the Single Corner is not a classic or the Bristiol would be new, while the African Glasgow would be old. It is just a classification.

And it serves a purpose: you have to chose one classical opening, and one defense against Old Faithful, either the classical systems or a semi-classical defense.

Also you must learn a line against each semi-classical opening and each modern opening , if you want to avoid surprises.

Needless to say that I had no lines prepared at San Remo, as I thought I would not play, but will never make this mistake again.

Greetinx from "old" Europe,

Ingo Zachos
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Ingo gota hand it to ya...................yur a minefield of information LOL!!
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Ingo, thank you for your further explanation on the opening in checkers. That did help clarify things for me....And most of all, thank you for your sage advice in the opening game! --George Hay
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Hmm.............. was not Garrett Owens game (as Black)
against Lubabalo Kondlo also an Old 14th ?
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liam stephens wrote:Hmm.............. was not Garrett Owens game (as Black)
against Lubabalo Kondlo also an Old 14th ?
Yes, it was indeed.
And I wrongly classified it as PP draw.
Thx for pointing that out, Liam.

Score now corrected.

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