What is on Agenda?

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Nice European tour by organisers: London-Manchester-Cardiff-Madrid-Marsel ... and finally Lille !

As far as I understand the close civilization (International airport) is Brussel and approximately 50 EURO train to Lill. Is that correct or there is better and easy way to reach this small suburb ?

Alex

[william]

Brussels is one option, Paris is the other.

probably same traveling time give or save half an hour.

[Danny_Alvarez]

Hi Danny, it seems you're well informed. At this time it can be confirmed that this is an evolving story, with Lille confirmed as the host city and the dates will be 9th - 23rd August. Lille Grand Palais will be the venue. You can have a virtual visit of the Lille Grand Palais at: http://www.lillegrandpalais.com

Further details (numbers, sponsorship, etc) are not yet available and will only emerge following a meeting between Mr. Otten (FMJD) and Mr Damiani (IMSA) next week.

Thanks for the link to the Grand Palais Mr Devlin, it looks fantastic. the virtual feature is just outstanding. good luck to all the participating players.

George, i agree with you but until they create a time machine , not much we can do..... when they do though i would found the organisation back in the 17th century and ban all other variants

[kiwinurse]

Is the womens match going to be played there?World Championship?

[Ingo_Zachos]

Is the womens match going to be played there?World Championship?

Starting from 2012 (3-move) the Women`s World Championship will be played in a tournament, not in a match anymore, as it was decided at the GA in San Remo.
We actually plan to hold it at the WMSG in Lille, but plz be patient, Jan, as the date and venue have been announced by IMSA only recently.
We asked to stage an event for men and a seperate event for women, each one to be awarded with a set of medals, and we plan for that, but FMJD and IMSA have to approve, and we also need to work out details.

In 2012 there will also be the GAYP Women`s World Championship match between Amagul Berdiyeva, nee Durdyeva, who holds the title since it was established in 2005 (you finished a honorable 2nd back then in Prague, Jan), and Erika Rosso (Italy) who convincingly won the 2011 Qualifier in San Remo (11 wins, one draw in 12 games played).

Both federations have staged bids, and in due time the final agreement will be announced.

Greetinx from cloudy Europe,

Ingo Zachos

[kiwinurse]

So the womens gayp will not be in tournament form,or is it going to be in the future?Thanks for the info Ingo.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Ingo, one question ...

It is quite obvious that in Lille, in difference with Beijing 2008, nothing or very little will be covered by organisers. Once woman event will have a world championship status, will WCDF cover Amangul expances ?

Regards,

Alex

[George Hay]

So the womens gayp will not be in tournament form,or is it going to be in the future?Thanks for the info Ingo.

Jan, if I'm reading the minutes of the San Remo October 2011 WCDF meeting right, GAYP and 3-Move Women's World Championships will both be determined by tournaments after the Women's GAYP WCM in 2012.
The minutes to the meeting are in the WCDF website See 10. Proposals....(ii), and amendments.
http://wcdf.wz.cz/meetings.htm
--George Hay

[Alex_Moiseyev]

World Champions always have, and in my opinion always should, win and defend their titles in a match setting.

John, you absolutely right - two titles: World Champion and Tournament World Champion ... make sense. Or we also can say: World Champion versus WCDF World Champion

If someone eventually wants to get a real Ladies 3-moves title - she can find a way to challenge Amangul.

WCDF didn't create Ladies 3-moves title, don't owe it and can't rid off ... too much power. Maximum they can do - giveup on title and return back to old system before 2003 when matches were played based on personal claims.

The way it was done in San Remo: the highest score woman in QT (or small tournament if applicable) - miserable and disrespectful.

Only match can identify a real best player.

Alex

[Ingo_Zachos]

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Only match can identify a real best player.

Alex

Why?
Your 2008 Beijing result easily outshines all of your matches.

And you won quite a few ACF nationals and other prestigeous tournaments.
You are the best example that it takes more then a good match player to be a real World Champion.
And even if Miki would have won against you by say one point, he would still have to add some tournament victories in order to prove that he would be the real champion.

BTW: Amangul and her federation are supporters of the idea of a Woman World Champion played out in a tournament.
They belive it is harder to organize a match for the title for Women.
And Amangul also proved her status as real Wolrd Champion by outclassing all other female opponents in Beijing 2008 and Prague 2005, including Pat and Jan.
Same can be said for Ron King in GAYP. He does not only win his matches (well, actually not all matches), but he also won numerous GAYP events...

We know that you prefer matches, Alex.
But even you have to admit that in 2007 the match even for the men`s title for once failed.

But dont worry, as far as I see it there will be no majority at all to impose a World Championship tournament for the "heavy weight" titles... (sorry for that boxing analogy), but it makes no sense for the Juniors, and proved to be less practicle for the Women, though the tournament concept for Women will have its first real test in 2012.
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I made no reference to the costs, as that was not asked by Jan.
But I think it has been pointed out before, that this time no costs for the players will be covered.
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Greetinx from cloudy Germany,

Ingo Zachos

PS:
Amangul does not hold one ("her") title, but two different titles:
1. Women`s 3-move World Chamion.
2. Women!`s GAYP World Champion.

Some seem to forget that there are two titles.
The 3-move title will be awarded in a tournament this year, and she will play a match against Erika Rosso (ITA) for the GAYP title.
This title (Women`s GAYP) will be at stake in a tourment for the first time in 2013, reagrdless of who win the match this year.

[kiwinurse]

Thanks Ingo.Its far more practical to hold tournament play.And far less costly.Trying to arrange matches from different parts of the world with different political systems is destined to failure,as ive proven in the past.Whereas if there is tournament play in a neutral area which is accessible to most people,then thats the way to do it.
Times have to change,to survive.The old guard doesnt work any more.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Your 2008 Beijing result easily outshines all of your matches.

No ! None of my tournament victories and accomplishments, either Beijing, ACF NAtionals and all others, outshine my match victories.

The title I owe exists since 1934, almost 80 years and it changed hands only thru matches. Only several tried and only few were successful. It was proved for many years accuracy and fearness of this system.

There is no difference for me for man and woman title and whatever I think is best for mans title, is best for woman title in my eyes, same concept and principal. I agree that it maybe easy for Amangul and others stay away from organising matches, but I don't worry about her, Pat, Jan, Ron, Miki or anyone else. I worry about TITLE and respect to it.

Are you telling me about 2007 ??? In 2007 it was complete WCDF fiasco when you guys picked a wrong horse (bid) and didn't follow up my warnings and suggestions - deposit portion of bid from Barbados to secure match ... or take Medina !

Greeting from raining Dublin,

Regards,

Alex

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Last news:

1) From calendar: 10 days after we passed WCDF deadline and 20 days before my deadline.

2) From confidential source: no money at all involve in Lille, everyone pays on his/her own ... this is Europe, not China Maybe WCDF will add some money

[rich beckwith]

A letter to all WCDF delegates was sent by John Reade last week regarding Lille. Even Harry Otten commented that it was a pity that the nation hosting the Olympic Games could not offer more hospitality regarding the World Mind Sports Games. (As a plus, playing in France will make it easier on African draughts players, who now can avoid visa issue when traveling to UK.)

I know of at least 3 other venues that were considered for the World Qualifier, and none of them offered prize money either. Yes, I believe all the draughts sections will offer prize money in Lille, and we do have the Gene Lindsay fund, for starters.

[Ingo_Zachos]

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The title I owe exists since 1934, almost 80 years and it changed hands only thru matches. Only several tried and only few were successful. It was proved for many years accuracy and fearness of this system.
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[/quote]

Not true.


How come u list (in Sixth) Hellmann as WC from 1958?
He did not beat the WC Tinsley, so he was not WC based on your statement.
And if he was WC, Tinsley did not beat him in 1975!
Same to Ron King.
He did not beat Oldbury to take the title. Neither did Oldbury beat Tinsley.
And when you beat Ron, you did not win Tinsleys, Longs or Hellmanns title if your claim would be right.
In your OWN DEFINITION, you would not even be a World Champion...

but you are the undisputed World Champion in 3-move.
Because the WCDF, FMJD, ACF etc. and the checker community accepts your superiority proved in tournament and matches.

Greetinx from cloudy Dortmund on a grey day,

Ingo