Rating Report of WCDF commitee available!

[Ingo_Zachos]

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This is restrictly promotional action. I didn't propose to treat mail rating etc. Whats wrong by awarding Mr. For tman GM title ?????

WCDF already awarded several USA and UK players by GM titles based on their past performance (not current) and I highly appreciate this.

Just one more step ahead. Leave conservatism behind !

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It is true that titles were awarded to inactive players because of their past results (they were all multiple winners of major tournaments), but only in crossboard events.

We did not propose titles to the WCDF GA for mail play achievements, because the WCDF so far is merely a crossboard play federation, at least until now.
Tommy, if you would ask Hugh , Richard and other officials of the WCDF, I think they would appreciate to also include mailplay events in their competence ("family" as you said so well) , but I think that there must be already an official federation of the mail players, or else: who is organizing the World Championships ? Why doesn't this organization simply joins the WCDF as member federation ?

Maybe it is a good point to remember for the next GA, but so far we only had to consider crossboard results for title awarding.
No title was given away "by honour", all were achieved by results, past or present, but, sad to say, only crossboard results.

There is no need that this will be the last word.
Mailplay is indeed a great branch of our game, but I think it is up to the mail players and their organizing body to join or cooperate with the WCDF or to award their own titles.

To have the mail play results included in our rating would be pointless, as these r two incomparable forms of competition, each demanding its very own special skills.
A seperate rating for mail play may be possible, but I think that a commitee of experienced mail players should produce a mail rating list,
based only on mail play results.
To mix it would mean that you, Tommy would be not that high in the rating list as your mail play achievements would indicate, as your crossboard results would lower your rating significantly.

Greetinx from sunny Dortmund, Germany

Ingo Zachos

[Alex_Moiseyev]

We did not propose titles to the WCDF GA for mail play achievements

This is fine. I propose this idea (awarding past mail play World Champions by GM title) for the next GA meeting next year.

Anyone else wants to back my motion ?

Alex

[tommyc]

Hi Ingo ....i wasnt proposing that the xb and Mail play be interlocked but they would be a seperate issue.Two different sets of tables.

I assumed the WCDF were in control of Mail play since the Banks WTM affair, it looked like it came under their jusidiction, other than that i dont know who controls Mail play.

I can see your point for now your only interested in cross=board tables ,thats fair enough.

[Ingo_Zachos]

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I assumed the WCDF were in control of Mail play since the Banks WTM affair, it looked like it came under their jusidiction, other than that i dont know who controls Mail play.
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We should find out, and ask those in control of mail play about title issues.

I thought you as experienced mail player would know who organizes your ty's.
Seems like we both were mistaken.

How's things going at the Welsh Open ?

Greetinx to you, Tommy

Ingo Zachos

[tommyc]

Well really Ingo i ve not done much Mail since the 11 new openings were thrashed (as of now)out except for my match with Mac. Matter of fact since 2003/Theres nothing happening at the moment to excite my appetite .

Id say G.Miller would know more abt the admin side of the Mail play, im not involved in the politics of it.

Ive not heard anything from Wales yet none of our lads are there so...unless Hugh has something.

[tommyc]

I will second your motion Alex providing , you change your proposal to MGM....!"Mail Grand Master" so as to distinguish between the two and if you widen your proposal slightly.!!

[tommyc]

Hi Ingo ,I been looking thru some documents to find an answer to your question"who runs World Mail play"..........well from what i can ascertain Earl Hangen USA was the World Mail play Director.

Since the WCDF came into being it seems like Sean Phillips (Ire) will be the new Director in view of Earls health recently.!!

So it looks like the WCDF run Mail play.?yes?

[Gene Lindsay]

I just took a look at the the new WCDF rating and either there has been a mistake figuring my rating or you guys are out of your minds. In the prelim. rating I was rated 22nd and now I am rated 82nd. I know I didn't play well in the US Nations but come on. I request that someone refigure my rating something is bad wrong.

Gene Lindsay

[tommyc]

Hi Ingo .......Have you gone away?

[Ingo_Zachos]

Read my email, Tommy.

[tommyc]

I got your email Ingo,,,thanks from wet n windy Irish coast.

[Michael Holmes]

Gene, there are only a handful of players that are better than us (maybe two) so I wouldnt let the ratings bother you. The last three years I have played some really good checkers and I continue to get better. The players here in the U.S. know how good we are and since we have the top players in the world here at the U.S. I know the ratings do not reflect our performance. However, it is a system and it is getting better all the time. We certainly know the durdyev's are not better but yet they have had good performances.

Michael

[Alex_Moiseyev]

I think - I know the answer - what really causes a problem. This also affects my rating, and as Michael mentioned - I don't worry too much about this.

I am playing very actively in the past years, in average 7-8 events in one year (see SIXTH for fulll complete events list) including high level events - National and World matches, and also state events. It is absolutely impossible for me to win all or almost all games. Anyway - USA players are not too bad players at all !

If I would play only once in 2 years to defend my title - my rating would be higher, but I don't have any intention to sacrify things. And same thing is applied to Michael and Gene.

If we push Durdyev's play actively in USA events - then we can see how good rating they can get after several years

So, the bottom line is - rating is inaccurate, because we try to compare apples and oranges - USA players and rest.

Unfortunately, I don't have a good chance to play in European events against good players, and at this point any attempt to compare our strength will be unsuccessful.

Last two matches, 7th and 8th between USA and UK&I actually very well reflects the real picture.

However, I don't criticze this process, because eventually things should be improved, even though it may take some years.

My next checkers events will be KY and Canada Open.

Sincerely,

Alex

[mday]

Gene, there are only a handful of players that are better than us (maybe two) so I wouldnt let the ratings bother you. The last three years I have played some really good checkers and I continue to get better. The players here in the U.S. know how good we are and since we have the top players in the world here at the U.S. I know the ratings do not reflect our performance. However, it is a system and it is getting better all the time. We certainly know the durdyev's are not better but yet they have had good performances.

Michael

How can you say the Durdyev's are not better? Better than who? Mustafa Durdyev won the British Open.

[mday]

The USA vs UK and Ireland match was indeed lopsided, but a USA vs WORLD match would be different. Which players would represent each team?