Lubabalo Kondlo

[Gene Lindsay]

As I understand it the deadline was the reason the ACF had to name its representatives to the WCDF before our National TY, now John and I will have to wait until 2009 to play in the World Qualifier. If you have a deadline everyone must abide by it or there is no use having a deadline.

Gene Lindsay

[Ingo_Zachos]

...If you have a deadline everyone must abide by it or there is no use having a deadline.

Gene Lindsay

No.
Still the dead line makes sense, as the organisers then know the minimum attendance.
In real life, most "dead" lines have no sanction that follows automatically.
In some cases it means that you have to pay extra money or that you need a special approval, that's all.
In just very few cases it is a final dead line.
As I understand, the WCDF byelaws give no concrete sanction for the case that the dead line has passed.
Or am I wrong ?

And there r many reasons why the dead line should not be final:
What if a federation joins the WCDF after the dead line, or if a player nominated dies or becomes sick?
In that cases I would think that like in all sport events a late nomination should be still posssible and makes more sense to me then reducing the meaning of the event by strictly following the dead line.

I would propose to have a special regulation for nominations that were made after the dead line.
The organizers (their planned schedule and organisational matters have to be respected, as they have greater expenses if more players turn up then they were prepared to host) and the WCDF has to agree (it should still be an exception), and maybe an extra fee can be asked for.

If a possible contender for the World Crown emerges after the dead line, or a new federation joins I would say that such exception can be made, provided organizers and WCDF agree.
That means: players that want a guarantee to play must be nominated by the dead line.
In most sprts that's how they do it.
Players nominated after the dead line can be rejected, and need special approval, but as I said, I don't know the WCDF byelaws that well.

Greetinx from sunny Dortmund,

Ingo Zachos

P.S:
Look at the case of Bobby Fischer in 1970. He was not nominated or qualified for the interzonal tournament in chess, but another nominated US player(Pal Benko) cancelled his participation, and Fischer was allowed, though he missed all dead lines.
Also, In tennis wild cards can be given to players that have not asked to play or qualified (Goran Ivanisevic once won Wimbledon with a wild card), why should checkers be less professional then other sports ?

[Alex_Moiseyev]

why should checkers be less professional then other sports ?

Because of miserable membership, no sponsoting / financing and all after all - checkers is just a childish game. We have to live with this. Childish game - childish Fderation and decision it made.

Why should we be awarded with better Federation ???

Alex

[tommyc]

In a world nowadays where there is a way or an excuse around everything, i would have to agree with Genes Post.....rules are rules but prhaps as Ingo also says maybe theyre not quite written in stone yet. We will see.!!

[kiwinurse]

I object to the above description of the WCDF and the game of checkers Alex. For a start the organizers of the qualifier are right in setting deadlines,otherwise how are they going to work with hotels and costings if they dont?Its a nitemare to organize as it is without latecomers who had plenty of time to put their name forward.Ron King would have reacted the same way had he been holding the qualifier in Barbados,and set deadlines as hes done in the past.He had plenty of time to get his people in for the qualifier.You are insulting the very people who sponsor you every year in your matches.Hugh Devlin is just one example.And he has been very generous to you in the past.also organizing your trip around Ireland this year.Childish game you say?I guess any sponsorship is nil if any would be sponsors read your reaction on here,and it coming from a world champion of this childish game!Why would anyone sponsor this game with your attitude so apparent!

[liam stephens]

Hi Jan,

In another posting it states:

we can return back to details and schedule of my Ireland Exhibition Tour in fall this year. This Tour is sponsored by InishOwen Draughts Club and they pay all my expanses.

I am not sure how that ties in with the quote above:

no sponsoting / financing and all after all - checkers is just a childish game. We have to live with this.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Childish game you say?I guess any sponsorship is nil if any would be sponsors read your reaction on here,and it coming from a world champion of this childish game!Why would anyone sponsor this game with your attitude so apparent!

Jan, we didn't have good sponsors in the past, why should we have anything better in future ? My view on this matter is very pessimistic. I don't think I lost or missed anything with my words. Serious people don't visit this forum.

We all are members and belong to this childish world.

Sincerely,

Alex

BTW. The main sponsor of my exhibition trip to Ireland is InishOwen Checkers Club and Tommy played a great role of negotiator by setting things. I really appreciate his and Gerald efforts and anyone else who was involved.

It will be my first official exhibition as a World Champion since 2003 (and before).

But all these exciting things don't change my pessimistic feelings.

[Alan Millhone]

Hello Mr. Alex:

Sponsorship does not come easily. I worked hard to get Mr. Kondlo's VISA approved once I secured a sponsor who paid all his expenses so he could come to the Plaza and play. My sponsor paid the youth prizes as well and contributes regulary to World Title Matches, yours included.

Sincerely:
Alan

[Alex_Moiseyev]

Sponsorship

Alan, when I read the word "sponsorship", it always comes to my head as $$$,$$$ - six digits bucks (at least)

Anything below this should be named - "financial support"

Sincerely,

Alex

[Alex_Moiseyev]

I am not sure how that ties in with the quote above

There are no ties between these two posts, these are two different things. Irish organisers invited me for exhibition tour and I accepted this wonderful offer - this is one statement. There are no sponsors in checkers world - this is another statement. I don't see any ties.

When I come to Ireland - it won't make me richer, if i don't come - it doesn't make me poorer. However, if I have enough time - why not, if people want to see a World Champion and play checkers with him.

The only real thing I will earn in Ireland: satisfy my own ambitions - play match (es) with Hugh (Shane ?) and beat Guinesse World Record. I am glad that my interest here meet an interest and expectations of InishOwen Club authorities and I want to thank them for this.

In addition - I have very good relations and alot of friends in Ireland, and I am very glad and happy that I have a chance to be here again after my WCM 2003 in Cookstown.

This all has nothing to do with sponsors

Real, professional sponsoring includes many $$$,$$$. We don't have anything even close to this level ... and probably never will.

In my more than 40 years checkers career I spent with Anglo-American style of checkers more than 10 years, and I hope I've done enough for checkers and learned enough to have a rights to say - what I really think about this.

Sincerely,

Alex

[kiwinurse]

All i see Alex and all others will see is a greedy,grasping world champion only interested in 6 figures to play, only interested in what its doing for him.And attacking the very people that help him and support him all the way.And alan i know you worked hard to get that young south aftrican over and to obtain sponsorship for him, its such a shame when you are attacked by your good friend alex for it.I just dont understand that type of friendship.

[Patrick Parker]

$$$,$$$ would help our game ....bring more people into it
this is true

but what kind of people might they be?
has anyone seen the jerks on world series of poker?

however i wish we had more money for prizes in our game to bring more people however as the way people are acting
we may not be ready for it

sighs if i had $$$,$$$ i would set up an interest account
similar to what we have with current monies
but i dont have it
i cant help with this
but i show up at the tournaments i can
i give that support

[Alex_Moiseyev]

world champion only interested in 6 figures to play,

No, no - 6 digits is only monthly payment, don't be confuse with this !

Your message may put sponsors in wrong directions and they may think I am OK with "one time" miserable $100,000 or $200,000. This is not even enough or close to cover all my debts which include morgage, college loan, etc.

We all have to work hard to find a right sponsors and put them in right directions ==> motnhly payment $$$,$$$ to World Champion.

Before this happened - I join with Patrick ... but don't tell me anything about professionalism !

Alex

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All after all - I understand it's not realistic today , and this is the reason why I called this game "childish", federations - childish, players - childish ... and everyone who responds on this post and consider this conversation seriously - also childish

[kiwinurse]

Well Alex, you always insist in the last say,so ill say no more on the subject,except to say that the more you try to explain your intentions you seem to shoot yourself in the foot.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

u should try to talk to them

Dear Irma, you also can try to talk to them. This will be 100% job on commissions for you. If you will be succefful, and Coca Cola gives me $10,000 - 30% will be yours (three thousand dollars).

If you think it's not enough percentage for this work - let me know, and we'll work on this - maybe raise it to 40% if the sum will be $100,000 or 50% if they give $1,000,000.

In any case - it is professional job: looking for sponsors, not my field.

Nearest an owner of $500,000
Alex Moiseyev