WCDF RATINGS

[tommyc]

When will it happen??

[Alex_Moiseyev]

When will it happen??

Jan 01, 2008 ... Not earlier. Could be later but not much: 2-3 months. Bet for $5.

One of the way could be - just copy ACF ratings

Alex

[Ryan Pronk]

Come on guys,

We should give the WCDF as much time as they need to put out the new ratings. It takes a lot of time and effort to screw over the Americans on the ratings list.

I predict there will be no more than 3 Americans in the top 10 on the new ratings list.

What a joke. The WCDF is as anti-American as anything can get.

[P.R.]

Shane McCosker

[Alex_Moiseyev]

to screw over the Americans

Yeah ... there is alot of terrorists across the globe who tries to catch Americans in one or other way. But we are strong in our standings !

I am wondering - maybe terrorists steal a tickets from Barbados in my mail box ?

[Patrick Parker]

where have all the cowboys gone 16 out of 50 what is that about 30%
in the top 50....thats not so bad
though lowder passed away
tony hardly plays
childers either
or cowie

so kinda like 8
not knockin anyone in the top 50 ....but others should be there and
some dont belong there.....the ratings arent stable
and havent been in existence long enough ....
and there are pockets where people live and play locally and dont get alot of the strong players really attending their tournaments

and not taking anything off the danish open that lindsay won hes ranked 74th on this list .....


1 GM 103001 Ronald King 48 2594 BAR M
2 GM 101001 Alexander Moiseyev 64 2581 USA M
3 GM 101003 Richard Hallett 44 2567 USA M
4 GM 103002 Jack Francis 65 2546 BAR M
5 GM 107001 William Docherty 62 2538 SCO M
6 GM 107002 Tom Watson 50 2525 SCO M
7 GM 101002 Jim Morrison 47 2510 USA M
8 GM 101009 Ed Bruch 50 2500 USA M
9 GM 114002 Mustafa Durdyev 53 2500 TKM M
10 IM 114001 Bagtiyar Durdyev 56 2468 TKM M
11 IM 109001 Lindus Edwards 60 2467 WAL M
12 GM 105002 Hugh Devlin 65 2463 IRL M
13 IM 103003 Darwin Lorde 91 2459 BAR M
14 IM 107003 Joe Davidson 81 2453 SCO M
15 IM 108003 Rawle Allicock 60 2449 ENG M
16 IM 103005 John Walcott 80 2449 BAR M
17 IM 101008 Richard Beckwith 53 2444 USA M
18 IM 105001 Sean Cronin 51 2440 IRL M
19 GM 107004 Jimmy Grant 54 2432 SCO M
20 IM 101004 Louis Cowie 60 2425 USA M
21 IM 102001 Earl Morrison 53 2417 CAN M
22 IM 108002 George Miller 63 2412 ENG M
23 IM 106001 Myles Hannigan 48 2411 NIR M
24 IM 101006 Joe Schwartz 48 2411 USA M
25 IM 101013 Larry Keen 49 2411 USA M
26 IM 107005 Joe Sloan 57 2408 SCO M
27 IM 101005 Tim Laverty 55 2399 USA M
28 GM 101018 Elbert Lowder 44 2398 USA M
29 IM 101024 Tony Kozenski 61 2397 USA M
30 CM 101042 Jon Chappell 54 2391 USA M
31 IM 108005 Fred Buckby 68 2390 ENG M
32 IM 101017 Jerry Childers 102 2388 USA M
33 IM 101010 Clayton Nash 47 2385 USA M
34 IM 101015 John Webster 55 2382 USA M
35 IM 106006 Shane McCosker 48 2378 NIR M
36 IM 105004 Sean O'Driscoll 50 2377 IRL M
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WCDF Ratin g N o 2 January/June 2007
37 CM 108006 Arthur Butcher 133 2374 ENG M
38 CM 106002 Tony Lagan 136 2372 NIR M
39 IM 105012 Garrett Owens 49 2371 IRL M
40 CM 103007 Nathanial Grosvenor 76 2368 BAR M
41 IM 101019 Hugh Burton 64 2367 USA M
42 CM 109002 Dafydd Roberts 67 2367 WAL M
43 IM 108009 David Harwood 63 2363 ENG M
44 CM 108007 Len Chandler 66 2363 ENG M
45 IM 105005 Liam Stephens 49 2361 IRL M
46 CM 114003 Parahat Durdyev 80 2354 TKM M
47 CM 111001 Dennis Pawlek 56 2345 GER M
48 IM 101020 Michael Holmes 47 2343 USA M
49 CM 103008 Michael Barker 79 2338 BAR M
50 IM 102002 Leroy Adams 105 2337 CAN M

[liam stephens]

WCDF RATINGS

"Our little Igor now requires police escorts out of his concerts
like a prize fighter."

Expositions and Developments

Protection from the mafioso, of course.

[Patrick Parker]

guess i am on the outside of that inside story

[tommyc]

to screw over the Americans..................are these the thoughts of a desperate mind??

[Ingo_Zachos]

To clear the matters:

1. The list including the events from January to June 2007 has not been calculated yet.
The reasons r simle: working commitments!
We would be much faster if we could earn our living just by working on the ratings

It will be finished as soon as we can, and certainly before christmas, Tommy.

2. The WCDF list is calculated without any national preference. If you look at it, there r more US citizens among the Top 50 then any other nation, plus there r more US title holders then from any other nation.

3. The ACF list only lists playeres in ACF events, or events where ACF members played (that were reported).this is why in it there are more ACF members then in the WCDF list.

Greetinx from sunny Dortmund, Germany

Ingo Zachos

[liam stephens]

Thank you Ingo. As Chairman of the Ratings Committee, I am sure you would also attest to the tremendous amount of effort and work put in by Igor in the preparation and analysis of the Ratings material. The calculations are based on well proven mathematical formulae and to suggest that somehow the resulting ratings are biased against American players is ludicrous, and absolutely without foundation.

Years ago there was a Yorkshire mafia (see Oldbury’s Encyclopaedia page 126 - “the Mafia has lost its grip”) but today I believe they are mainly resident in America.
I’m sure “Our little Igor” could do without the Brickbats emanating from the armchair mafiosi.

[Ryan Pronk]

To clear the matters:


2. The WCDF list is calculated without any national preference. If you look at it, there r more US citizens among the Top 50 then any other nation, plus there r more US title holders then from any other nation.

3. The ACF list only lists playeres in ACF events, or events where ACF members played (that were reported).this is why in it there are more ACF members then in the WCDF list.

There are more U.S. citizens in the top 50 than any other nation? Is that supposed to keep me from complaining? The ratings are incredibly European-bias, and I'll give a couple examples as to why.

The late Gene Lindsay is ranked #74 on the January 1, 2007 WCDF ratings list. Donald Oliphant is ranked #61, and Liam Stephens is ranked #45. At the 2007 Danish Open, Lindsay literally steam-rolled over the competition. He finished the tournament with 17 points; Oliphant and Stephens finished with 12 and 11 respectively. Why wasn't Lindsay's rating higher prior to when this ratings list came out? And why are Oliphant and Stephens ranked so high?

The International Match between the U.S. and G.B. is another example. The U.S. destroyed G.B. again. Joe Schwartz, the leading scorer on the U.S. team is currently ranked #24. Hugh Devlin, Sean Cronin, Myles Hannigan are all ranked higher than Schwartz. Can

[liam stephens]

As Rodney (Only Fools and Horses) might have said - What a pronker!


The reason for Gene Lindsay

[Ryan Pronk]

Liam,

You only answered one of my many questions. How come you and Oliphant are rated so high? Don't you think you two deserve to be out of the top 50, maybe even top 100? I agree that Lindsay was a strong master, but judging how badly he slaughtered the competition, I could name at least 50 other Americans who could also win the Danish Open.

It is also quite true to say that the WCDF Ratings are to a certain extent provisional since they have only been running for a short period of about a year or so. As more results are fed in they will indeed become more accurate.

Yes, I'm sure Ingo will continue to use this "provisional" excuse as long as the WCDF continues compiling ratings. They will never be accurate until more Americans are in the top 10, top 25, and top 50.

[Ingo_Zachos]

Dear Ryan,

in fact the World Youth GAYP Champion is a US citizen, not a European.
So, if a federation benefited from that, it was the ACF.
Remember that you did not win the US youth nationals, but lost to the only European attending ?

So with 21 as limit, the US boys would in fact do worse!

You better think before you claim the opposite of the truth!

The same must be said about your other examples:

1. As I wrote to Gene Lindsay, his bad rating at the last list was because he had his worst results in the 2nd half of 2006, and each rating values the most recent results higher then the past results, especially if those past results were not reported to us!
He finally agreed that his rating was below his maximal strenghts and promised to improve.
And I think in 2007 he did improve, winning the Danish Open and nearly winning the US nationals. But that cannot influence a rating based on 2006 and earlier results.
It is sad that his improved strenghts coincidenced with his final time on earth.

2. The result in the Internationals between the US and the Irish & British team matched almost exactly the result you could expect from their rating difference. It is a fine example of how good the system works, if you r able to do this arithmetics, but I guess you don't know how.

3. When did Alex Moiseyev beat Ron King ?
In 2005!
Who finished ahead of Alex Moiseyev in all events both played since then ?
Ron King!
Look at the margin he won the 2005 US nationals!!!
It was indeed also a high margin like Alex had in his match against Ron, plus he performed better in all events since then.
So if a rating system should do anything, it should place the better average performance higher.
And Ron King had the better average performace in 2005-2006.
A system that would not place the players by performance as you seem to propose would simply be unfair.

The rating difference to your opponents and the points you scored determine the performance in the WCDF system.
It is not biased by any "personal" weight of the events.
All events r treated as equal.
A World Championship is simply more important, as the rating of your opponent is higher then the rating in other events.
That is already part of the system, but still it cannot ignore the fact that all other comparisons between 2005-2006 were in favour of Ron King, some even highly in his favour.
Do you want to say that all other events but the World Championship do not count ?
Do you want a sytem that only uses your best perfomances, and places them higher then all other bad performances you made ?

I strongly oppose these kind of "whishful thinking" ratings, and that is why I wrote such a personal statement, so please forgive me, as I believe that fairness and truth will prevail.

Greetinx from sunny Dortmund, Germany

Ingo Zachos

P.S: If your only consideration if a system is fair, is the fact how many US citizens r at the top, who is biased ?