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Lindus / Ingo, lets talk about something positive ... :lol:

The good news are that today I received an email from one high ranking WCDF member who confirmed that he backs my motion to create Committee to review / revise BY-LAWS regarding bids and bidding / selection process. If this proposal gets support and backing by 2nd person, motion will go through and gets to voting stage.

Certainly good news on horizon which will help to improve the whole process.

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Alex,
I have no intention of continuing my exchange with Ingo as I have proved my point absolutely. One would have to be mentally deficient not to see that I am right so far as that matter was concerned. I presented unimpeachable evidence to prove my point and so I will let it rest at that.
So far as the "good news" you informed us about, I think it is way too late so far as Jan Mortimer is concerned.


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Ingo,
I have sent you a PM as I feel that the information I have sent you is for your eyes only. I am not a vindictive person and so let the matter end with that message..........


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Ingo,
Many thanks for your prompt and courteous reply which I truly appreciated. Your PM gave me all the information I was seeking. You will appreciate that Jan Mortimer is a very close and dear friend of mine and I was naturally extremely upset by the WCDF 's decision to forfeit her.
I had no intention to upset you and I can see that I have clearly done this. For this I apologise sincerely.
I am still very upset with the decision of the WCDF and remain with the opinion that Jan should not have received a forfeit.
Please be assured that I mean you no malice whatsoever and have the highest regard for you as a person and for the great work you do for checkers.
Once again, my sincere thanks for your full explanation and my apologies for my outbursts but I am still very disappointed that Jan did not get her world title shot.
Best wishes,
Lindus.

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Dear Lindus,

thx for your PM which was also very courteuos.
I am sorry for each remark that I have made that might or has offended Jan or you.
The dicison to forfeit a player is always unfair to the player involved, and and the WCDF already has done this too many times.
The bitter truth is that the WCDF can not stage a match and is not able to run a WC or a QT on his own.
We need the support of local organizers, especially national federations.
Also, the WCDF is no good mediator between two parties, but, also a bitter truth, is run by amateurs like me who can only allocate little time to our duties.

I hope that Jan will still continue her promotion for our game and that she will be able to find a sponsor for a private challenge or that she qualifies for another WC shot again.
A failed match is no good promotion for Checkers and we shoulc do everything to prevent this from happening again.

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Thank you Ingo.



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Your remarks dont offend me Ingo, what offends me is that you allow this miscarriage of justice,when you knew,and every member of the WCDF knew that it was impossible for me to travel to Turkmenisten under the conditions you and Hoja set!That the time limit for the bid was well over,but you continued it, illegally.My life was put on hold for 18 months,negotiating this farce,and now you have the gall to forfeit me!
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Quote by Ingo Zachos:
The decison to forfeit a player is always unfair to the player involved, and the WCDF already has done this too many times.
The bitter truth is that the WCDF can not stage a match and is not able to run a WC or a QT on his own.
We need the support of local organizers, especially national federations.
Also, the WCDF is no good mediator between two parties, but, also a bitter truth, is run by amateurs like me who can only allocate little time to our duties.
My goodness Ingo, what a scathing indictment of the WCDF.
In that case what right has the WCDF to disqualify anyone at all ?

On the evidence produced on this Forum so far, there are some clear facts that emerge.

I refer to two documents shown on the forum recently:
Ref A: Copy of Turkmenistan bid.
Ref B: Posting from Alex Moiseyev dated Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:09 pm


Ref A: The Turkmenistan bid was made in the Manat denomination of currency.
There was no mechanism for conversion of the Manat into a hard currency such as the dollar.

What was the lady to do? - run around like a headless chicken in a foreign country trying to find a banker or financier as outlined in Ref B, or more likely someone on the black market to convert currency.
Do all that, as well as play in the match ! No, that was not on.

There is a strong prima facie case for claiming that the WCDF had set un-workable conditions and was grossly incompetent there, firstly for not even recognising the problem and secondly for doing too little too late when it was pointed out to them.
No bid should have been accepted which did not provide a firm proposal for the conversion and payment of moneys in an exportable currency.

It reminds one of the state of affairs when Britain was forced to withdraw from the ERM (Exchange Rate Mechanism) on Black Wednesday , 16 September 1992.
As mentioned by someone when that crisis occurred. “It’a a Lamontable situation.”

Perhaps it is time for John Reade as the Liaison Officer to the FMJD to initiate an Independent Inquiry by the FMJD into the whole affair. Such a course of action would be a fair and just way to resolve the matter.
I’m sure Tommy Canning will excuse me if I quote one of his punch lines :
“Nothing less will do.”


PS - BTW The statement at para 3 of a post by Alex Moiseyev on Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:42 pm flatly contradicts the WCDF claim that the failure to provide the air tickets was not, at least, a primary (even if not the ultimate) cause for the failure of the Barbados match to take place.
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Hi Liam,
I loved your joke about the "Lamontable situation." For the benefit of those of have never heard of Norman Lamont he was a former Member of Parliament. Nice one Liam.
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liam stephens wrote:PS - BTW The statement at para 3 of a post by Alex Moiseyev on Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:42 pm flatly contradicts the WCDF claim that the failure to provide the air tickets was not, at least, a primary (even if not the ultimate) cause for the failure of the Barbados match to take place.
Thats true and WCDF claim was correct. Not buying tickets was only half of reason for fortfeit and cancelation. Another half came from Barbados organisers statement that they are not ready to start event at the moment and were asking for 2-3 more weeks.

This wasn't a case with Turkmenistan bid. They were expected Jan to come and were ready to cover her travel expanses. There were no changes with dates in Turkmenistan bid.

Competency is an interesting thing :lol: For me, to get a right answer you have to ask right question from right person ... hmmm .... at right time.

When in 2007, after match cancelation, I was asking for extra investigation, extra sanctions and excuses, noone here showed any interest. This is perfect "double standard" example and also a great incompetency - to beleive that if things don't impact you directly today, it is better to stay away. It is incompetency because people can't see a nearest future and can't recognize how this maybe connect to other events and scenarios.

This is simple egoism and selfish life style - don't worry and don't care about anyone and anything until it impact you. Before asking fair behaviour from other people, it is necessary to be also a fair person.

I am glad that my motion now may have a chance to get through. If this happened - it will help to ALL future match players, organisers and WCDF. And not only matches, because we also have bids for QT.

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What are you talking about Alex?No changes in dates?What rubbish.There was the bid that had to be played by May 31st,in which i tried to get a date!And failed! There was the June 15th Date which i accepted,and then to cap it off there was this last date of August 10.You know what i think?You need to keep out of it,as you are only muddying the waters,and i think deliberately.
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Kafka novel. I rest my case.
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The Trial - maybe ?

Actually, I was quite looking forward to a dissertation on Beowulf or the the Canterbury Tales.
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