Bids and WCDF role.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

I continue to criticize WCDF from time to time not because I just like to insult people and make controversial statements. I am trying to help and improve this process.

Bidding process and it's regulation today in WCDF are in very poor conditions, very uncertain and not clearly defined. This generates from time to time situations when everyone interpretate them in their own way.

We had serious bidding problem in man 3-moves match in 2007 which eventually lead to match cancelation ... we also have the same problem this year with Woman GAYP match.

I do not take any sizes in this story(Amangul vs Jan match), but I know much more about it from various sources and can confirm that there is no evils and angels in this drama.

WCDF should take more responsibilities while reviewing and accepting / rejecting bids.

In addition - the rule that Challenger is 100% in charge of organizing match is absolutely ridiculous and must be changed. Federation must be 100% in charge of this. There cannot be a situation when unprove declaration and promises is accepted as an official bid. Organisers should send to WCDF a full package with definition of location, venue, prices, playing facility, hotel definition and all other conditions. Maybe pictures and banking/sponsors guarantee letters must be attached.

This is normal bid.

If, instead, we have email with one line - something like "I gonna organize this event in summer based on contributions which are coming" - this paper can be use only in restrooms but not as evident and proof.

More later ...

It would be interesting to hear about this from other players, authorities and members of this forum.

Maybe Gene Lindsay money next year help us a bit to improve this process.

Respectfully,

Alex Moiseyev

[liam stephens]

I believe the rule that the Challenger is responsible for organising the match is inequitable and should be scrapped. And for the challenger after going to the trouble and expense of mounting a bid only to have it ruled out by a last moment alternative offer seems incredulous.


The buzz word is Escrow.
Bids, monetary, should be lodged with the WCDF to be placed in escrow until the match takes place, and only then released.

Regarding the Gene Lindsay fund, I recall that a suggestion was made some time ago for a donation from it be made to the Women's Match. I understand, however, that it was stated the fund could not be used in Jan Mortimer's case. I am relying on memory here, so cannot state precise details. Possibly there is a record of that in the Forum archives.

[rich beckwith]

Thanks for the thoughts regarding improvement of the bid process. Before we get too far off-track, I wanted to point out that solutions are not so simple (unless someone has a better idea that hasn't been thought of yet):

1) It would be wonderful is someone stepped up with a bid for every match that fully covered the expenses of both participants, but this is often not the case. If expenses aren't covered, who will then put up the money? While I understand the concerns about putting too much responsibility on the challenger, is it fair to make the world champ travel across the world if they know they will take a significant financial loss, even if they win?

2) While world championship matches are a worthy cause, Gene Lindsay did not allocate any of his estate toward title matches, just the qualifying tournaments (and International matches, ACF 3-move nationals, and Tennessee). Of course, someone is welcome to consider starting a world title match fund with their estate planning.

[liam stephens]

Thank you Richard for the clarification on the Gene Lindsay fund.
The content of your paragraph 1 is also very interesting.

As I understand the rule, it is only after the case that no bids are received within a set timescale,
that responsibility passes to the Challenger to arrange the match.

Once the cut off date is reached, with no bids received and it becomes the Challenger’s responsibility to secure a bid, then if he/she does in fact do so, then surely that bid must take primacy (so long as it meets the minimum WCDF requirements) and not be susceptible to being usurped by an alternative or subsequent bid. That, I think, would be a much fairer position for the challenger to meet, in the event of a “no bid” scenario.

Regards - Liam.

[Alex_Moiseyev]

however, that it was stated the fund could not be used in Jan Mortimer's case.

Liam, I should say that there is no discrimination here - recently I learned that Gene fund also can't be use for the man World Title as well, because Gene only mentioned QT. Fantastic !!!

WOW !

Should we consider World Title Match as part of qualification process ?

[liam stephens]

Yes, Alex - that does seem to be the case.

Of course, if you resigned the title, you could then re-enter the QTs

[tommyc]

Alex.............Bidding process and it's regulation today in WCDF are in very poor conditions, very uncertain and not clearly defined.

Would Alex be looking over his shoulder in regard to his up-coming match with Ron in this respect????? !!!!!

[tommyc]

Alex.............Bidding process and it's regulation today in WCDF are in very poor conditions, very uncertain and not clearly defined.

Would Alex be looking over his shoulder in regard to his up-coming match with Ron in this respect????? !!!!!

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